Fossil Record Observation

[FutureAndAHope]

Sadly he probably will not admit it. The fact that ice floats tells us that there was no worldwide flood

Ok inform me why ice floats disprove the flood?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ok inform me why ice floats disprove the flood?

That is easy. The ice caps at Greenland and Antarctica has been in place for roughly 500,000 years or more. Longer than Homo sapiens has been on the Earth. A worldwide flood would have destroyed those icecaps.

 

[VirOptimus]

Tell me that stats. But from my eye the vast majority largest percentage of the world is water. If God moved mountains down I am sure it could be flooded.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

 

[FutureAndAHope]

If you have to invoke miracles then evidence is irrelevant.

Why care about your ad hoc explanations if any hole can just be filled with 'God fudged it'?

Dude the whole story of the flood in the bible says God did it he personally sent the flood. To not use miracles to a Christian is just silly.

God did note use simple natural processes. It says he broke open the fountains of the deep, suggesting he messed with the earths crust. And drew water from under the earth, as well as poured down rain.

 

[Shemjaza]

True but they are relatively small in size compared to the predictors that we see in the fossil record. They could swim away in shallower tide.

Sperm whales are enormous, and ictheosaurs were sized much like whales.

After a flood you would still have vegetation in many areas. So the animals could still eat. I would imagine the meat eaters could have survived off dead bodies for a while. But it does pose some questions to think through.

Being flooded for a year would kill everything. There wouldn't be any dead bodies to eat.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Dude the whole story of the flood in the bible says God did it he personally sent the flood. To not use miracles to a Christian is just silly.

God did note use simple natural processes. It says he broke open the fountains of the deep, suggesting he messed with the earths crust. And drew water from under the earth, as well as poured down rain.

But we know that he did not do that. The evidence says otherwise. Unless you want to claim that your God hid all of his work, but that would make him a liar. Either way you lose on this one. Some Christians go nuts when I point out that they are saying that God lied.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Global_flood

Did you read carefully what that guy said, he said the volume of water needed to cover Mount Everest , no creationist believes the preflood world even had Mount Everest. God moved the earth around, he pushed mountains up and down during the flood to shift the existing oceans. How do you think he could pour water over the earth unless he pushed up land in the oceans. The reverse probably happened after the flood land areas were pushed back up to help drain the earth.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

But we know that he did not do that. The evidence says otherwise. Unless you want to claim that your God hid all of his work, but that would make him a liar. Either way you lose on this one. Some Christians go nuts when I point out that they are saying that God lied.

What evidence disproves what I say?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Sperm whales are enormous, and ictheosaurs were sized much like whales.


Being flooded for a year would kill everything. There wouldn't be any dead bodies to eat.

Hi I have looked into this apparently it is not true for whales they have such a thick skin it can't be broken down by sea based predictors national geographic says they can last for 30 years under water http://voices.nationalgeographic.com/2014/05/02/animals-science-world-exploding-whale-blue/ I have never dropped an elephant or a rino into the sea but they too have hard skin, so may last just as long. Don't know though have never tried it.

 

[VirOptimus]

Did you read carefully what that guy said, he said the volume of water needed to cover Mount Everest , no creationist believes the preflood world even had Mount Everest. God moved the earth around, he pushed mountains up and down during the flood to shift the existing oceans. How do you think he could pour water over the earth unless he pushed up land in the oceans. The reverse probably happened after the flood land areas were pushed back up to help drain the earth.

This does not help your case.

Do you know any geology? Biology? Any science at all?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Sperm whales are enormous, and ictheosaurs were sized much like them

But like I said a sperm whale had no reason to be in a tropical zone, additionally sperm whales don't eat fish, are not likely to venture on shore, into shallow water. Where as the large dino fish were meat eaters easily draw on shore in an attempt to get an easy meal.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

This does not help your case.

Do you know any geology? Biology? Any science at all?

Stop judging my science just provide facts. How can I know the truth without facts.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

This is my opinion: Basilosaurus is a large fish, the water would have to be very deep for a Basilosaurus to swim in (remember it is a very large fish). The Allosaurus a land dweller, swallowed up by the flood, would have drowned first before the Basilosaurus. Sure they both breath air, but the Basilosaurus size is what is important.

But the Basilosaurus fossils are found ABOVE the Allosaurus. And both animals breathed air. So your idea is proven wrong.

 

[VirOptimus]

Stop judging my science just provide facts. How can I know the truth without facts.

I see.

But you arent willing to consider the facts.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

But the Basilosaurus fossils are found ABOVE the Allosaurus. And both animals breathed air. So your idea is proven wrong.

Yes but basilosaurus is a large fish bigger than a allosaurus. The smaller non swimming allosaurus would have drowned before the basilosaurus had enough water to come over land.

There are so many dino names have I got the right ones? Correct me if I am thinking wrong.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

I see.

But you arent willing to consider the facts.

Really I have been googling and research the truth. From both secular and creationist sources. Give me time to respond to every thing. I only came up with this theory last night I need time to process the facts.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Just a point in food sources ... I mentioned that there would be meat around for the carnivores in the form of dead bodies. As I showed thick skinned animals could survive as food sources. As national geographic stated whales skin is so thick sea based predictors can't eat them. So they can last up to 30 years under water. Add to that the possible survival of other thick skinned animal carcasses and there would be ample food for predictors. But where am I going with this. Well what about longivity of food supply , what I propose is that as food supplies reduced meat eaters would be forced to migrate into arctic or tundra regions. We do see this in the arctic wolf and other feline species. Over time as grazing animals increased in herd size they woul have returned South.

 

[VirOptimus]

Just a point in food sources ... I mentioned that there would be meat around for the carnivores in the form of dead bodies. As I showed thick skinned animals could survive as food sources. As national geographic stated whales skin is so thick sea based predictors can't eat them. So they can last up to 30 years under water. Add to that the possible survival of other thick skinned animal carcasses and there would be ample food for predictors. But where am I going with this. Well what about longivity of food supply , what I propose is that as food supplies reduced meat eaters would be forced to migrate into arctic or tundra regions. We do see this in the arctic wolf and other feline species. Over time as grazing animals increased in herd size they woul have returned South.

Why do you even bother with trying to come up with logical explanations (which are laughable btw) when you will invoke magic (miracles) as soon as you run out of reasonable ones?

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Why do you even bother with trying to come up with logical explanations (which are laughable btw) when you will invoke magic (miracles) as soon as you run out of reasonable ones?

Really you don't find me laughing. There were a few only a pair of each meat eater. As I showed meat could be available after the flood. It is only logical that as food sources depleted these few animals would follow the food trail . The higher North they traveled on a daily basis the more food that would be available. Tell me what makes you think a norther migration is so silly using my flood model. Tell me where I am wrong. Snow leopards are one such example of an animal that stuck around, the snow wolf is another example. They migrated there some time, why not after the flood. Tell me logically how my theory is wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Yes but basilosaurus is a large fish bigger than a allosaurus. The smaller non swimming allosaurus would have drowned before the basilosaurus had enough water to come over land.

There are so many dino names have I got the right ones? Correct me if I am thinking wrong.

First off: the Basilosaurus is not a fish. It's a mammal, a precursor to the whale in fact.
And secondly, you said that the aquatic animals and the larger ones would die first in a global flood. The fact that the Basilosaurus is found above the Allosaurus, a terrestrial dinosaur, proves you wrong. It's that simple.