Fossil Fish

[Grengor]

Would you agree that the only manner in which fossils of sea life would be deposited on top of mountains is if at the time the mountain was below sea level?

There's other possibilities, of course such as the Flood, except if you want to appeal to that than you have to take down all the other evidences against it, no appeal to ignorance or other such fallacies. Or as teddy(I believe it was teddy) said, you can't ignore one piece of evidence when it's proven and move on to another, it's dishonest.

 

[RightWingGirl]

RWG, there is no mountain prior to the geological uplift, the mountain is formed because of it. Ok, look at it like this. Pangea seperating, while the landmasses are moving around so do the "oceans", ice ages raise and lower the water level, geological stress and other happenings make the once beautiful beach turn into majestic mountain.

Did it then, to cover places so far inland, basicaly cover the earth with water?

 

[Grengor]

Sorry! I'm trying to discuss the fossils, biology, but it is a bit interelated.

A bit, but it is important to realise when the boundries have been crossed. As someone so succulently put it: Biology is the description of the fossils, Geology is the location.

BTW: Is that you in your pic? It looks kinda outdated or at least tweaked with photoshop.

 

[RightWingGirl]

There's other possibilities, of course such as the Flood, except if you want to appeal to that than you have to take down all the other evidences against it, no appeal to ignorance or other such fallacies. Or as teddy(I believe it was teddy) said, you can't ignore one piece of evidence when it's proven and move on to another, it's dishonest.

I'm sorry if I have. Which piece of evidence has been brought up that I have ignored? Sometimes I don't see every post, and I may have missed something.

 

[Grengor]

Did it then, to cover places so far inland, basicaly cover the earth with water?

OOOOOOOH sorry I misunderstood your questions. The entire earth covered at once? No, disproven numerous times, and about 200 years ago. Different parts of the continent being covered with water at different times? Yes a possibility. But so are aliens

 

[nvxplorer]

This would not account from places where the mountains have during the whole process of Continental drift hundreds of miles from the coast.

The Himalayas were formed when the Indian subcontinent joined southern Asia. The seafloor that had separated the two was compressed and stacked as the Himalayas rose. What was once seafloor is now hundreds of miles from any coastline. If the Indian subcontinent had been three times larger, that seafloor would be thousands of miles from any shoreline. Clear?

 

[RightWingGirl]

OOOOOOOH sorry I misunderstood your questions. The entire earth covered at once? No, disproven numerous times, and about 200 years ago. Different parts of the continent being covered with water at different times? Yes a possibility. But so are aliens

O.K. But large areas, thousands of miles inland, have been covered?

 

[Grengor]

Check out post #86

The Himalayas were formed when the Indian subcontinent joined southern Asia. The seafloor that had separated the two was compressed and stacked as the Himalayas rose. What was once seafloor is now hundreds of miles from any coastline. If the Indian subcontinent had been three times larger, that seafloor would be thousands of miles from any shoreline. Clear?

 

[RightWingGirl]

The Himalayas were formed when the Indian subcontinent joined southern Asia. The seafloor that had separated the two was compressed and stacked as the Himalayas rose. What was once seafloor is now hundreds of miles from any coastline. If the Indian subcontinent had been three times larger, that seafloor would be thousands of miles from any shoreline. Clear?

Yes sir, but that only accounts for the Himalayas.

 

[Grengor]

RWG, it's an example, it shows it's possible.

 

[OC1]

As has been said before, low-oxygen conditions limit scavenging, so a dead fish can be slowly buried.

And low-oxygen environments are common in lakes, and in the ocean:

(sorry, I have links to all this, but I can't post links yet).

Anoxic settings have been broadly categorized into four types: (1) lakes whose bottom waters are anoxic as the result of water column stratification; (2) silled marine basins in which freshwater influx (either rainfall or river inflow) exceeds evaporation; (3) oceanic upwelling zones where deep, nutrient-rich water flows to the surface adjacent to a continental land mass; and (4) open ocean anoxia, which typically develops at middepths (200-1000 m) at the edges of some ocean basins (Demaison and Moore 1980).

(From here: earthscape.org/r3/whelan/whelan20.html)


You will notice that at the anoxic zone is often present only at depth. This means that fish do just fine in the shallow water, but when they die they sink into the anoxic zone, where they are protected from scavengers, and can be slowly buried by fine-grained sediment.

Alot of "fish eating fish" fossils have been found in the Green River Formation. The GRF is a famous varved lake deposit, definitely NOT produced by "the flood".

Of course, the fish could also have died and been buried rapidly, perhaps by a submarine landslide (which are very common, even today).

But there's nothing at all to indicate that that fish was buried by a biblical flood. There are plenty of ordinary, well-documented modern mechanisms capable of creating that fossil.

 

[nvxplorer]

Yes sir, but that only accounts for the Himalayas.

My post answered your questions.

This would not account from places where the mountains have during the whole process of Continental drift hundreds of miles from the coast.

O.K. But large areas, thousands of miles inland, have been covered?

What else do you want explained?

 

[RightWingGirl]

RWG, it's an example, it shows it's possible.

Yes, but as you pointed out, Possible doesn't mean much. Is it probable? Would this account for fossils on mountains in the middle of a continent?

 

[Grengor]

Yes it would. I understand there's a lot of replies coming in from all sides to you and you may not be able to respond well to them. Nvxplorer's example shows it is possible(yes thousands of miles). Probable? I have no idea.

 

[nvxplorer]

Yes, but as you pointed out, Possible doesn't mean much. Is it probable? Would this account for fossils on mountains in the middle of a continent?

RWG, the formation of the Himalayas are not a probability. It is a well understood geological theory (fact). How much more in the middle of a continent do you require The Himalayas are not a coastal mountain system.

 

[RightWingGirl]

Nvxplorer--Thanks! I've go to go now, but could I take you up on that sometime? I should be on tomorrow GMT -8. 7:15



OC1--A toxic environment in which two fish were living?



Thank you all for your insight and comments!

 

[OC1]

Yes sir, but that only accounts for the Himalayas.

Just off the top of my head, the Appalachians, Rockies, and the Alps also formed in the same general way (i.e., colliding tectonic plates).

 

[OC1]

OC1--A toxic environment in which two fish were living?

As I said in my post, the anoxic water occurs down deep; the fish live in the oxygenated water above.

 

[nvxplorer]

Just off the top of my head, the Appalachians, Rockies, and the Alps also formed in the same general way (i.e., colliding tectonic plates).

As well as the Sierra Nevada. The western US was once a seafloor. Many fossils dating back to the Precambrian are spread throughout the Great Basin.

 

[OC1]

As well as the Sierra Nevada.

Not to be picky, but I think the Sierras are mostly an uplifted complex of igneous rocks.

Still the result of plate tectonics, though.