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[Adventist Dissident]

Because it is religious discrimination.

Now, if they are really being honest, and fear that the GC will take legal action against them, then it isn't morally wrong.

However, since the GC didn't order them to remove the name, while ordering them to remove the image, this indicates that their excuse for fear of legal action being taken against them is just that--an excuse, not an honest answer to the question.

But that's just my opinion.

fustration, leads to insanity. it's crazy trying to control the action of another. that will drive you nutz, righ wooob

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Here is why I think we should use the word "Evanglical" instead of "Moderate"

1. progressive is associated with humanist, and social liberal ideas, such as naturalism, darwin rather then supernaturalism, creation "gay" marriage, sexual freedom, progressive morality, and marriage

2. Evanglcal is usually associated with such things as the refermantion, Billy Graham, the Great Awakening, the Baptist and Methodist chruch, Non denominatialism , out reach and public evanglism

 

[StormyOne]

Here is why I think we should use the word "Evanglical" instead of "Moderate"

1. progressive is associated with humanist, and social liberal ideas, such as naturalism, darwin rather then supernaturalism, creation "gay" marriage, sexual freedom, progressive morality, and marriage

2. Evanglcal is usually associated with such things as the refermantion, Billy Graham, the Great Awakening, the Baptist and Methodist chruch, Non denominatialism , out reach and public evanglism

what is the problem with humans being humanist? The original concept is not a bad idea.... what are social liberal ideas? Gay marriage, now there is a topic for a thread... vigorous discussion I am sure...

I hear what you are saying Ice, but I prefer progressive as opposed to Evangelical..... when you say evangelical I think of Falwell, Robertson, and Swaggart.... I am not comfortable with that association...

 

[Telaquapacky]

See? I'm not the only one who doesn't want to be called Evangelical. The word, "Evangelical" is like the word, "Gay." It doesn't mean what it used to. The Evengelicals have given Evangelicalism a bad name. They also help conservative Republicans get elected.
Ew, Pew! (holds nose)

 

[JonMiller]

Many words have a bad name in some ways, including Christian.

JM

 

[Adventist Dissident]

what is the problem with humans being humanist?humanist deny god, the start with man and end with man The original concept is not a bad idea.... what are social liberal ideas? as opposed to social conservative who belive in the family values and traditional marriage, they pro gay marriage, pro open marriage Gay marriage, now there is a topic for a thread... vigorous discussion I am sure...

I hear what you are saying Ice, but I prefer progressive as opposed to Evangelical.....I am not talking about progressive vs evanglicalism , I am talking about evanglicism vs moderatewhen you say evangelical I think of Falwell, Robertson, and Swaggart...that is fundimentalis, I think rick warren, willow creek, maranatha praise music, micheal card, Max lucado, Chuch swindoll, Adrain rodgers, Philip Yancy, Billy Graham,World vision, samaratains purse, the salvation army, Moody bible instutite, the Baptist chruch, I am not comfortable with that association..How about the association i listed above? so you would rather be assoicated with Christ haters and apostates, something wrong with that [/quote] checke this out

 

[Adventist Dissident]

See? I'm not the only one who doesn't want to be called Evangelical. The word, "Evangelical" is like the word, "Gay." It doesn't mean what it used to. The Evengelicals have given Evangelicalism a bad name. They also help conservative Republicans get elected.
Ew, Pew! (holds nose)

i think this is just your association not Evanglical adventist or Evanglical Christians

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Many words have a bad name in some ways, including Christian.

JM

good point jon, in fact christian was a degratory term at first, christian today is being smeard all over the place and usually it's not true. so i don't see where the problem is with "Evanglical" in the forum. I see it as saying we still belive in the bible and the sabbath, but just disagree with you on some points, were still believers, I associate progressive with liberal, like those who believe in theistic eveloution and deny the miriclaes of the bible, deny prophecy. that is what i associate with progressive.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

I think moderate adeventi and evenglical adventist are more approprate then progressive.

moderates are those who don't agree with all the 28 fundimentals. that sounds less like an apostate.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

how about Moderate, Evanglical & Progressive Adventist forum

 

[Adventist Dissident]

how about Moderate, Evanglical & Progressive Adventist forum

this sounds more attractive

 

[StormyOne]

humanist deny god, the start with man and end with man The original concept is not a bad idea.... what are social liberal ideas? as opposed to social conservative who belive in the family values and traditional marriage, they pro gay marriage, pro open marriage

I am not talking about progressive vs evanglicalism , I am talking about evanglicism vs moderatewhen you say evangelical I think of Falwell, Robertson, and Swaggart...that is fundimentalis, I think rick warren, willow creek, maranatha praise music, micheal card, Max lucado, Chuch swindoll, Adrain rodgers, Philip Yancy, Billy Graham,World vision, samaratains purse, the salvation army, Moody bible instutite, the Baptist chruch, I am not comfortable with that association..How about the association i listed above? so you would rather be assoicated with Christ haters and apostates, something wrong with that

All humanists do not start and end with man.... though there are many who wish to paint them with that broad brush....

Family values? whose? yours or mine, can you define them or is that a vague term used by politicians and conservatives?

Christ haters and apostates... interesting labels.... you have determined people to be Christ haters and apostates how? Is the label apostate usually given to those who don't believe as we do?

 

[Your Neighbor]

suggestions

"Sabbatarian Christian"
"Seventh-day Adventism"
"Adventist & Sabbatarian"
"Sabbatarian Advent Movement"
"Seventh-day Advent Movement"

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

good point jon, in fact christian was a degratory term at first, christian today is being smeard all over the place and usually it's not true. so i don't see where the problem is with "Evanglical" in the forum. I see it as saying we still belive in the bible and the sabbath, but just disagree with you on some points, were still believers, I associate progressive with liberal, like those who believe in theistic eveloution and deny the miriclaes of the bible, deny prophecy. that is what i associate with progressive.

You bes confused indeed. You do not comprehend the actual meanings of the word progressive or the word liberal, and you use both in the same confused sense as neo-con pundits program their shills to use them, which makes this one rather uncomfortable with the insinuations your posts edge into.

Progressive means moving forward, specifically in one's thinking and approaches to life's challenges. "Forward thinking". It bes a fine word indeed and a good one to describe the focus of this subforum and the element we would like to attract here. In Moriah's opinion, anyways.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

how about Moderate, Evanglical & Progressive Adventist forum

That would be fine but you have forgotten the "Formers" in the mix. As a "Former" what bes very much enjoying this new subforum, Moriah takesy exception to that.

Personally it considers the word "moderate" to be a total throwaway & meaningless designator. It would favour something like "Progressive, Evangelical, and Former Adventists."

 

[Sophia7]

That would be fine but you have forgotten the "Formers" in the mix. As a "Former" what bes very much enjoying this new subforum, Moriah takesy exception to that.

Personally it considers the word "moderate" to be a total throwaway & meaningless designator. It would favour something like "Progressive, Evangelical, and Former Adventists."

I tend to agree that the term moderate is meaningless. However, there are some Adventists here who consider themselves Moderates, and leaving them out of the mix would give them no Adventist congregational home at CF. They wouldn't fit into the Traditional category anymore, especially with the additional requirement that was added to the Trad FSGs besides agreement with the 28 FBs:

Members of this forum agree with the Official 28 Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh-day Adventist Church and hold to the Adventist message.

What they call the "Adventist message" goes way beyond the 28 FBs and includes last-generation perfectionism and thus excludes a lot of Adventists who wouldn't call themselves Progressives or Evangelicals.

So rather than leaving out Moderates, it would probably be better to add "Evangelical" to the title. On the other hand, I also see the point of those who think that term would give a misleading impression to visitors, who probably wouldn't understand what it means in relation to Adventism. It would also make the title very long.

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

In reality the beauty of moderate is that it is ambiguous. Thus it Progressive and moderate covers the spectrum of adventism except the Traditional/historic/conservative segment and they have their own forum. Moderate can include evangelical while evangelical could also include traditional or fundamentalist depending upon which definition one chooses to use.

 

[Telaquapacky]

In reality the beauty of moderate is that it is ambiguous.

We don't do it to be pretty. Being Moderate only means you can be dumped on by both sides. Anyway, one man's ambiguity is another man's nuanced, multi-dimensional thinking.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

WE are talking Word association: with all do respect either you guy are on drugs or just not in the know. progressive is associated in the SDA church with rebel or heritic. Have you forgotten why we split the fourm in the first place. I am saying that i want to add to the name a not so controversal Association. Evanglical is looked on as acceptable. I want conservatives who would other wise not consider progressive ideas to come to this forum, but since they have an unfavorable view of the term progressive they will stay away. Think of it as a marketing tool to draw people in. You know if it is only progressive it will have a negitive connation, while the dictionary term may be foreward thinking the adventist association is backslider. Moderate dose not fit the bill and Evanglical is the only thing that will do it, it is the only one that say we still believe the bible and jesus as Lord, we just think a little differently about things. Moderate & Progressive dose not convery that idea.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Thanks Sophia, Telapaquacky and RCNP for the deeper insights about the word moderate! Moriah loves it when it can learn from others.
Sophia you bes right about that heavily subtext-laden term "Adventist message". Hoooo boy. Changing the completion of the mystery of God into yet another wretched proscription for enforced behavior modification -- YECCCHHHH.