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Notice the Operative word there is "SELF" identifies. That's about all I see here.sort of... it's one who self-identifies himself/herself as a follower of Jesus Christ.
Well, if someone honestly identifies as a follower of Christ, then they at least attempt to follow his teachings.What about whether they follow his teachings and instructions?
Different Christians have different beliefs about the Bible.ANYONE'S PRIVATE OPINION BASED ON ANYTHING? OR BIBLICAL FOUNDATION?
Right. So it's harder to actually have to defend your position than it is to be able to just shut out the heretics. You'd rather not have to make the effort. How noble.Bellman
In the andy griffith show something like that may work lolI see you are atheist, and i dont say this as an attack at all, only that youve likely not had experience debating Universalists. They have a very appealing schpeil, and many people that dont know the bible very well fall for it, and their debate is so circular that they cant even see the corner you are putting them in with scripture. When you point out the scriptures they claim "that wasw translated wrong" or "it wasnt in the original manuscripts". Now i happen to be in a position that i can prove they WERE in the original manuscripts, however comapring ancient manuscripts, over 5255 of them is a tedious task, complicated, and lets face it a young unlearned person generally will not take the time neccessary to go through these things. It is MUCH easier the universalist way.
If ONE soul is lost here, I personally dont want to have their blood on my hand and it is for THIS reason, I stand.
I'd have no problem trusting him.THEN, we have the issues of integrity. Erwin is a business man. What if he makes a contract and breaks it? Can he just write it off or will he be held to good ethics even if through a court of law? What if You go to work all week and at the end of the week your boss dont pay you? Can you trust that man?
He changed his mind. There was no contract; he said what he would do, then changed his mind. It's no big deal.People here were promised the creed would stay and they were promised the majority would rule on the name change and it was 60-40 in favor of keeping Christ in the name.
I'm not getting into a fight with you over this. The Bible's writers make their own claims as to the author; believe them or believe yourself that you somehow know more than them on who God said He was when they walked with Him personally & eyewitnessed His works.Well, if someone honestly identifies as a follower of Christ, then they at least attempt to follow his teachings.
Different Christians have different beliefs about the Bible.
Well, if someone honestly identifies as a follower of Christ, then they at least attempt to follow his teachings.
I'd have no problem trusting him.
He changed his mind. There was no contract; he said what he would do, then changed his mind. It's no big deal.
Erwin's post on 7/27/07 starting his poll.
http://foru.ms/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html
Erwin's bid on the foru.ms domain, put in the day before the poll started, 07/26/07.
http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887
Erwin saying on 08/19/07 that he never thought about changing the name until after seeing the results of the poll.
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http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37980453&postcount=911
I see itcan you not even see what you have just done !!!!!!!!
It depends on what someone believes, because there's no way to prove beyond any doubt which of the recorded teachings of Christ are really true.And what is acknowledged as his teachings?
It depends on what someone believes,
because there's no way to prove beyond any doubt which of the recorded teachings of Christ are really true.
I don't see how they can't... they are both Christian, just with very different beliefs.For the first part of your statement:
Then what happens when 2 people have diametrically opposed beliefs, both claiming to be Christian, both claiming that their teachings are correct, but there is no way to reconcile the 2 different beliefs?
As an example, Person A is a Roman Catholic, Person B believes that Jesus was incarnated, not as a human, but as the Flying Spaghetti Monster (TM).
Both are radiacally different, and obviously, can not both be true. How can both be Christian?
But this website can't define what the truth is.Just because we want to let people define things for themselves does not change reality or truth. Opinions and beliefs are subjective, reality and truth are objective.
Do you agree that some scriptures are more reliable that others in terms of being more likely to be "authentic"? (Age of document, supporting and corresponding evidence from outside the Christian community, etc.)
I don't see how they can't... they are both Christian, just with very different beliefs.
I totally agree with this. BUT this site can set parameters as far as what is considered Christian on it's pages. If the site doesn't define what Christian means, how can it define Christian Principles?But this website can't define what the truth is.
I sense hesitance in that reply.Well, I guess I agree...
There comes a point when enough is enough. The man has made his decision. Disagree with that decision and I will quite likely agree with you. To question ones belief system is not the right thing to do. That kind of attack needs to stop not for the sites good but for the persons good who posts this kind of crap.
Erwin may have changed this place and made you all quite angry and believe me I do indeed understand. It is just WRONG for we Christians who love Jesus Christ to attack anyone period........
Argue the issues please do not attack the messenger. LEAVE ERWIN THE MAN OUT OF THE ARGUMENT! IT IS OBVIOUS HE IS FOR JESUS CHRIST OR THIS PLACE WOULD NEVER HAVE EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE ! That is just not right! Leave the MAN alone and save him from being tortured . WHO THE HECK ARE WE TO JUDGE HIM OR ANYONE ??? That just WENT 0VER the line.
That is NOT reaching out to someone in the name of Jesus ! THAT IS JUST VICIOUS AND UNCALLED FOR!
DISAGREE AND ARGUE THE ISSUE but DO NOT JUDGE ERWIN OR ANY MAN for what may or may not be in his heart. This is NOT CHRISTIAN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM.
Sorry if I have offended anyone but this needed to be said. Christians DO NOT TORTURE people !!!!!!!
I am praying...
Sun
Do you acknowledge that these events can influence others to distrust him, and while not PROVING it, they are evidence that he didn't just simply change his mind?
Wow,Erwin's post on 7/27/07 starting his poll.
http://foru.ms/t5787680-at-crossroads-cfs-vision-poll-vote-only-here.html
Erwin's bid on the foru.ms domain, put in the day before the poll started, 07/26/07.
http://www.afternic.com/bidhist.php?id=13805887
Erwin saying on 08/19/07 that he never thought about changing the name until after seeing the results of the poll.
[URL="http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37891292&postcount=194[/quote"]http://foru.ms/showpost.php?p=37891292&postcount=194[/[/URL]quote]I am quite desturbed to see the second one. Why would you pay $7,000 for a domain name that you might not ever need, that is unless you planned to change it all along?
I wouldn't invest that kind of money in anything unless I was for sure about it...
Wow,I am quite desturbed to see the second one. Why would you pay $7,000 for a domain name that you might not ever need, that is unless you planned to change it all along?
I wouldn't invest that kind of money in anything unless I was for sure about it...
Of course these ideas aren't compatible, but I've never said that all forms of Christianity are totally compatible with each other.One believes Jesus was incarnated fully Man and fully Divine, the other believes He was incarnated as a Flying Spaghetti Monster. You honestly don't see how those ideas are incompatible?
It can define Christian principles without defining a Christian person. Defining other people for them isn't a good thing.I totally agree with this. BUT this site can set parameters as far as what is considered Christian on it's pages. If the site doesn't define what Christian means, how can it define Christian Principles?
You should be a Catholic...I sense hesitance in that reply.It wasn't a trick question, honest.
As an example, would you agree that "Christian Variety A", which has only existed for around 200 years, and has no support for any of its beliefs from outside it's own membership and self described history is equaly reliable, more reliable, or less reliable, than "Christian Variety B" which has existed for roughly 2000 years, and has documents from outside it's religion which supports at least some of it's claims?
Nadiine said:Notice the Operative word there is "SELF" identifies. That's about all I see here.
Thus the necessity for a Christian site to DEFINE Christianity for itself:
ANYONE'S PRIVATE OPINION BASED ON ANYTHING? OR BIBLICAL FOUNDATION?
Without it, you have many gods, many lords and promote confusion to seekers.
To show full disclosure, someone else, I think mayber pgp_protector?, brought up that Erwin may have intended to start another forum with it initially. I can't discount that, but Erwin also shot down the idea of running 2 seperate boards, on Christian Only, and one secular, when it was suggested, stating that he didn't have time. I personally don't see why he would buy a new domain if he didn't have time to implement 2 under other circumstances.
Of course these ideas aren't compatible, but I've never said that all forms of Christianity are totally compatible with each other.
It can define Christian principles without defining a Christian person. Defining other people for them isn't a good thing.
You should be a Catholic...Well, the variety B would be more probable, I think. But it doesn't mean that it's perfect and anything that disagrees with it is wrong. If I believed that I'd be a Catholic or Orthodox.
Fair enough. Thanks for the exchange.I don't have the mental capacity to continue much more this morning, and I have to finish prepping for a meeting. I don't think we're going to agree on much more than we already have, but that's not so bad, I suppose.
No, I don't think Catholic is for me, I had a hard enough time being a Lutheran, lol. I'm happy being a non-denominational Christian. Less man made doctrine, IMHO. But that's just me.
Personally, I believe than any "flavor" of Christianity that is biblically rooted, whether I agree with all fo their teachings and fine points of theology, are fine, and are rooted in Christ, therefore, valid. Other non-Biblical forms that claim the title (Mormonism, JW, etc.) I am much less likely to believe are saved. That's not to doubt their heart for God, but that's all for other threads.
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