Foru.ms - a new beginning and a fresh start (3)

[joebudda]

I think you misunderstand me with this. I am tired of seeing non believers offended or feel like they are being attacked whenever we even speak the name Jesus. This was a site for all sorts of people to learn about Christ. Or to debate and figure out what they believe. Bottom line this was a christian site, and I am tired of seeing things being ripped from us and secularized for the rest of the world. Why is it okay for anything we have that is christian to be secularized but it is not okay for the secular world to have anything christianized? Why is it such a threat?

If you are upset about the name change it wasn't the non-Christians that lobbied for the name change. This was Christians that made and voted in the deciding poll.

I too don't think the name should have been changed.

It seems your beef isn't with the non-Christians, it is with the Christians who voted for it in the poll.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

Listen, THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO SPOT WHAT IS FALSE, AND GIVES US HIS TEACHINGS TO KNOW HIS TRUTH BY.

HOW ARE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DECIPHER FALSE TEACHINGS IF WE CAN'T FIRST JUDGE THEIR RELAYED BELIEFS?

According to YOU, a Christian is called by God to be an idiot who has no way to check to see if someone's false, so we all remain gullible?

God gives us ways to know what's true and false - that why He gave us ONE BIBLE - with supported testimony by those who walked with Him directly and witnessed His actions.
We don't just live by opinions that change with society's latest Politically correct trends.
That's why your theory doesn't float - Christ said we would be able to KNOW truth from error, and that His sheep know HIS voice, and dont follow strangers who come.
We know who not to follow.

I don't care what they claim.

We follow Christ alone. Through anything. The sheep know their Shepherd's voice and we follow knowing we will be kept safe in His Care.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

If you are upset about the name change it wasn't the non-Christians that lobbied for the name change. This was Christians that made and voted in the deciding poll.

I too don't think the name should have been changed.

It seems your beef isn't with the non-Christians, it is with the Christians who voted for it in the poll.

You're right and earlier I made a post to those christians who have been swayed. It's repulsive to me to see Christians who actually call themselves followers of Christ and then walk away because someone told them it would be better to do this. They are wishy-washy and lukewarm.

 

[rushingwind62]

It is not a name that makes christians christians, and it is not a name that made this a christian site. It IS the people who make it christian by living for the Lord. The One who died upon a cross. The One whose name is Jesus. I cannot believe how upset everyone is over a mere name change. Look at this as an oppertunity to reach the lost. Isn't that our purpose?????

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

It is not a name that makes christians christians, and it is not a name that made this a christian site. It IS the people who make it christian by living for the Lord. The One who died upon a cross. The One whose name is Jesus. I cannot believe how upset everyone is over a mere name change. Look at this as an oppertunity to reach the lost. Isn't that our purpose?????

Because it isnt the point of the name. It is the point that we once again are secularized. Once again we have to be politically correct. Once again we are putting aside what we stand for and conforming. That is why the name is important, it is the meaning behind it. Words are words. But there was once meaning. Now, without Christ in it, we allowed our board to become just as the world is.

 

[snoochface]

Subbing, but I don't know why I'm bothering. Erwin's posting in just about every support thread but this one.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

Subbing, but I don't know why I'm bothering. Erwin's posting in just about every support thread but this one.

How disappointing. I wish he would take time out and reply.

 

[The Bellman]

I think you misunderstand me with this. I am tired of seeing non believers offended or feel like they are being attacked whenever we even speak the name Jesus. This was a site for all sorts of people to learn about Christ. Or to debate and figure out what they believe. Bottom line this was a christian site, and I am tired of seeing things being ripped from us and secularized for the rest of the world. Why is it okay for anything we have that is christian to be secularized but it is not okay for the secular world to have anything christianized? Why is it such a threat?

No non-believers are offended or feel they are being attacked; that's just nonsense. The site is still a site for people to learn about Christ and to debate. The only thing that has been 'ripped' from you and secularised is the name of the site. Nothing else has been secularised.

Example of a cheap generalization to christian aka bashing:

Except what you posted was neither a cheap generalisation nor bashing of any kind.

Look, it can look like paranoia to you. You dont see the spiritual battle because you are not a christian. You are blinded to that. I understand and it's not your fault you can't see that.

Yet lots and lots of Christians see no spiritual battle, which leads one to the conclusion that the reason I don't see it isn't because I'm not Christian at all. It's because it isn't there.

I feel that if you did know Christ you would see that His name taken out of the title is just another secular, non commitive, socially correct move.

So this is a secular, non-commitive, socially correct move...made by a Christian at the urging of other Christians. As someone else has said, it sounds like your beef is with other Christians, not us non-believers.

Too many christians are selling out and dumbing down or removing their devotion to Christ completely to be in complete compliance with the rest of the world. I don't feel this is right.

That may well be true, but I see no evidence that it's being done here. All that is being done is 'toning down' the appearance of the site (including its name) to make it more 'friendly' to non-Christians, in an effort to get more of them in. I see no removal of anyone's devotion to Christ.

I feel that we have just a much of a right to shout from the rooftops that He is King of kings as an atheist has the right to shout they don't believe in God.

Of course you do. But nothing that's gone on in this site has affected that right in any way.

I feel I am standing for Christ.

Fair enough; I don't think you are.

I feel that we all as christians feel like as soon as we are confronted at all, we should buckle.

I think this is something of a furphy. I've never seen Christians as feeling that way at all.

But I think we should be strong and stand for our right to have a christian website with a christian name.

There's no need to stand for that right; you already have it. There are any number of Christian websites out there with a Christian name. You just can't have this one as a Christian websites out there with a Christian name. That's not taking away any right of yours - Erwin is under no obligation to provide you with what you think is your 'right'.

 

[rushingwind62]

Because it isnt the point of the name. It is the point that we once again are secularized. Once again we have to be politically correct. Once again we are putting aside what we stand for and conforming. That is why the name is important, it is the meaning behind it. Words are words. But there was once meaning. Now, without Christ in it, we allowed our board to become just as the world is.

Erwin is trying to come up with christian principles. Is that secular?The lost aren't going to come to anything with the word christian or church attached to it. This is a way for them to come to a website and A WAY for us to minister to them. The only way it will be a secular website is if all us christians leave. WE are what make the forum what is.

 

[snoochface]

How disappointing. I wish he would take time out and reply.

Especially since he locked his FAQ thread and said he'd discuss here.

 

[Nadiine]

Erwin is trying to come up with christian principles. Is that secular?The lost aren't going to come to anything with the word christian or church attached to it. This is a way for them to come to a website and A WAY for us to minister to them. The only way it will be a secular website is if all us christians leave. WE are what make the forum what is.

Now, define Christian! lol Universalists? Unitarians? Mormons? JW's? Nontrinitarians? Legalists?
Is there anything in the rules that don't allow Jehovah Witnesses?

Again go to such lengths to bring "secular nonchristians" into a Christian melting pot full of false doctrines?
They'de be alot better off not hearing anything than watching a 10 ring circus IMO.

 

[pgp_protector]

It is not a name that makes christians christians, and it is not a name that made this a christian site. It IS the people who make it christian by living for the Lord. The One who died upon a cross. The One whose name is Jesus. I cannot believe how upset everyone is over a mere name change. Look at this as an oppertunity to reach the lost. Isn't that our purpose?????

I'm enjoying your postings.

Keep em up.


(And subscribing )

 

[infaile]

The lost aren't going to come to anything with the word christian or church attached to it.

Respectfully, sir, I must disagree with this. I am unsure of how much time you spent in the discussion and debate forums prior to all these changes, but I know my husband (Digit) was there almost every day. There were plenty of non-believers in there, and elsewhere in the site (I stuck mostly to the Women's Discussion and Marriage Ministry, yet seekers showed themselves there also).

Yes - as some are quick to point out, there were many who came merely to argue, not to be converted. That is true.

But it is also true that many came under the banner of 'seeker' and truly sought learning and mutual conversation.

Please do not labour under the false impression that nobody truly seeking Christ came to CF the way it was before. Maybe it wasn't a great number, maybe it was only one or two - but doesn't the Bible say that the angels in heaven rejoice over just one soul saved?

I am uncertain as to whether or not Erwin's changes will bring in more non-believers. If it does, I can't see that they will receive a very consistent view of Christianity and, were I a non-believer coming into that sort of environment (where anyone and everyone 'might' be a Christian depending on whether or not they defined themselves as such), I would more than likely be confused to the point of not bothering with this place.

But regardless of what the outcome is, let it be known that CF previously, warts and all, did serve a great deal of good to the non-believing community out there. It just wasn't noticed very much.

Blessings,
infaile

 

[joebudda]

Listen, THE BIBLE TELLS US THAT WE NEED TO KNOW HOW TO SPOT WHAT IS FALSE, AND GIVES US HIS TEACHINGS TO KNOW HIS TRUTH BY.

HOW ARE CHRISTIANS SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO DECIPHER FALSE TEACHINGS IF WE CAN'T FIRST JUDGE THEIR RELAYED BELIEFS?

I don't know why all kinds of Christians come to different conclusions? I would think god would have a better means of getting everyone on the same page if it was that important to him.

According to YOU, a Christian is called by God to be an idiot who has no way to check to see if someone's false, so we all remain gullible?

I never said such things. Please don't put your words in my mouth. That is just disingenuous.

God gives us ways to know what's true and false - that why He gave us ONE BIBLE - with supported testimony by those who walked with Him directly and witnessed His actions.
We don't just live by opinions that change with society's latest Politically correct trends.
That's why your theory doesn't float - Christ said we would be able to KNOW truth from error, and that His sheep know HIS voice, and dont follow strangers who come.
We know who not to follow. I don't care what they claim.

Ps: I'm only speaking of those who reject the mandatory beliefs & acceptances found in scripture, not varying minor doctrines we can freely view differently yet still be united.

If your god gives everyone ways to know the truth then why are so many who honesty believe, with the same certainty as you, misled then?

And you do know that the bible is comprised of a cannon that was voted on by men?

You may believe that these beliefs are mandatory while others might believe that others are mandatory. No one is telling you that you should not be allowed to identify yourself as you identify yourself. Don't you think you should return that same respect?

 

[The Bellman]

Now, define Christian! lol Universalists? Unitarians? Mormons? JW's? Nontrinitarians? Legalists?
Is there anything in the rules that don't allow Jehovah Witnesses?

Again go to such lengths to bring "secular nonchristians" into a Christian melting pot full of false doctrines?
They'de be alot better off not hearing anything than watching a 10 ring circus IMO.

Again, this is nothing different to what had gone before. Then, as now, you have people with wildly different beliefs under the banner of 'Christian'.

 

[Nadiine]

I don't know why all kinds of Christians come to different conclusions? I would think god would have a better means of getting everyone on the same page if it was that important to him.

I already wrote a post listing the numerous reasons why to "The Bellman", so I'm not retyping it all.
We aren't given some supernatural brain tap where we all automatically turn into robots with the same chip.

You're also assuming that if a person CLAIMS they're a Christian, that they ARE one in fact. According to scripture that I quoted to Bellman, it's not the case.

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According to YOU, a Christian is called by God to be an idiot who has no way to check to see if someone's false, so we all remain gullible?

I never said such things. Please don't put your words in my mouth. That is just disingenuous.

You did'nt have to "say it" - your statement directly implied it.

If your god gives everyone ways to know the truth then why are so many who honesty believe, with the same certainty as you, misled then?

Do we STOP being human all of a sudden? Why do you guys expect that if you become a follower of the supreme God, that He's automatically giving everyone supernatural programmed brain chips so our humanity & imperfections are completely overriden?

Look at the writers of the Bible - they wrote IN THEIR OWN STYLE and wording.. God didn't take their pen and force them to write outside their own character.
Paul wrote in large print, he had an eye condition; God didn't remove that either...
We don't stop being flawed and fallible - we're CHANGED & redeemed, and on a new course.

And you do know that the bible is comprised of a cannon that was voted on by men?

I refuse to sit here debating how the Bible came to be & was canonized.
I have a hardcover 570 page book explaining it all in great detail - I am NOT reciting the entire history (and quite frankly, it does no good anyways)

You may believe that these beliefs are mandatory while others might believe that others are mandatory. No one is telling you that you should not be allowed to identify yourself as you identify yourself. Don't you think you should return that same respect?

And this is why I told you above that you said there was no way to check truth from error /false teachers. As if we're left on our own to guess.
The only one's who GUESS & can't really know are people who refuse the Bible as God's word.

You're essentially claiming SOMEONE CAN'T KNOW which is why I should "respect' everybody that claims to be a Christian - even when they defy central issues in scripture THAT MAKES US ONE.

Do you just trust that someone is a Doctor if they say so? I HOPE NOT.
Did you stop to think that someone is right & someone is wrong??
And no, I don't return respect to false teachings, I work to show why it's wrong and ask them to back up their assertions.

And with that, I'm not going into further 'debating' of Christianity here. This is not the proper thread. thanks.

 

[ravendta]

Anger Management. I need it.

 

[DMagoh]

There is nothing wrong with a secular forum where anybody can meet and post. However, I joined a "Christian Forum" to post and fellowship with other Christians. It would be kind of like me joining a forum about baseball because I really love baseball. And then one day they change it and it is no longer a baseball forum, but a sports forum, and you now have threads about diving, hockey, roller derby, horse racing, etc... and baseball has a little section somewhere.

 

[Dying2Live4Christ]

There is nothing wrong with a secular forum where anybody can meet and post. However, I joined a "Christian Forum" to post and fellowship with other Christians. It would be kind of like me joining a forum about baseball because I really love baseball. And then one day they change it and it is no longer a baseball forum, but a sports forum, and you now have threads about diving, hockey, roller derby, horse racing, etc... and baseball has a little section somewhere.

I share that sentiment.

 

[CaDan]

This thread has degenerated into little more than a bunch of athiests gloating over the injustice that has been done here. There are precious few left who have the emotional strength to battle pointlessly with rude, arrogant, and close-minded people like The Bellman and joebudda (both of which are only here to stir the pot, regardless of the innocence they claim) and I know my patience is at an end as well. I will continue to lobby for the return of CF, but not here. I'm tired of the athiests consistantly professing that Christians are such horrible people and then turning around and claiming they've said no such thing - EVEN IN THE FACE OF THEIR OWN QUOTES!

I have seen none of that. Might I suggest that you are seeing what you are looking for?