fornication

[thesunisout]

If anybody has comments about this, please post here. I have been in much prayer about this.

Hello brother,

I know this is a complicated issue but it is also a very simple one. It really just comes down to trusting God. He knows what you need, as far as medication and what not, and promises to provide your basic needs if you seek Him first. (Matthew 6:25-34)

As far as fornication goes, I think it's pretty clear that your conscience has already told you what it is; sex outside of marriage. God has not ordained any sex outside of the marriage bed.

I don't condemn you brother but you must make a concerted effort to stop sleeping with your girlfriend. The scripture is clear about it:

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1 John 1:5 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1 John 1:5 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

We don't have any fellowship with Him when we are living in sin. It's impossible to walk in the darkness and be in the light at the same time. In a marriage, the man is the spiritual leader and so it is up to you to show some spiritual leadership in your relationship and make a plan to stop having sex. Be serious about it and ask God for strength and direction.

So, if you want Gods blessing on all of this, you must change your mind about your sin and repent. I know that is hard so keep praying for strength. He will give you clear guidance and direction when you decide to honor Him with your bodies (as they are the temple of the Holy Spirit (Romans 12:1)). God bless.

 

[Christownsme]

I do appreciate all the comments about this. I think sunisout is right, that the Holy Spirit is convicting me of sin, even though the original meaning of the word isn't clear to my understanding.

My girlfriend and I have decided to be much more careful around each other, and that includes some mutual bible studies and possibly reverting to just friends. We don't know yet.

Thanks again for each of you who helped me by posting a response.

 

[dragongunner]

God would never condone aborition.
The Bible does not say commit sin to render unto Cesar what is his.

The state marriage license is no better than a fishing license.
It was created from racists who did not want people of color to mix with whites.
It was formed early in the 20th century.
It was a means to springboard eugenics.
As well by having one you enter into a third party covenant with the state who holds authority
In your marriage.
Legal presidents have been ruled on by the state to allow your Children to not disclose having a abortion..

Lets not go overboard here...no one even came close to saying you have to obey government and have a abortion. Theres no such law by the government.

Should we pay taxes to Ceaser? What did Jesus say...

The law is to have a marriage license, it is not a sin to get one. But its not in the bible! Its the law to drive 55 mph in a 55mph zone......you go 70 and try telling the cop...."Its not in the bible, I can speed !!!" Obeying Authority doesn't mean we obey no matter what, it means if it doesn't go against the word of God we should submit.

 

[dragongunner]

Hello brother,

I know this is a complicated issue but it is also a very simple one. It really just comes down to trusting God. He knows what you need, as far as medication and what not, and promises to provide your basic needs if you seek Him first. (Matthew 6:25-34)

As far as fornication goes, I think it's pretty clear that your conscience has already told you what it is; sex outside of marriage. God has not ordained any sex outside of the marriage bed.

I don't condemn you brother but you must make a concerted effort to stop sleeping with your girlfriend. The scripture is clear about it:

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
1 John 1:5 If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
1 John 1:5 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

We don't have any fellowship with Him when we are living in sin. It's impossible to walk in the darkness and be in the light at the same time. In a marriage, the man is the spiritual leader and so it is up to you to show some spiritual leadership in your relationship and make a plan to stop having sex. Be serious about it and ask God for strength and direction.

So, if you want Gods blessing on all of this, you must change your mind about your sin and repent. I know that is hard so keep praying for strength. He will give you clear guidance and direction when you decide to honor Him with your bodies (as they are the temple of the Holy Spirit (Romans 12:1)). God bless.

Amen.

 

[now faith]

Lets not go overboard here...no one even came close to saying you have to obey government and have a abortion. Theres no such law by the government.

Should we pay taxes to Ceaser? What did Jesus say...

The law is to have a marriage license, it is not a sin to get one. But its not in the bible! Its the law to drive 55 mph in a 55mph zone......you go 70 and try telling the cop...."Its not in the bible, I can speed !!!" Obeying Authority doesn't mean we obey no matter what, it means if it doesn't go against the word of God we should submit.

Well that's great to use to condemn,but the next time a Church adds a room without a permit
They need to repent.
Speed limits are a straw man,not revelatory.
We are talking about a covenant with the state,and 2 people.
I guess if the state said kill your parents when they are 70 we should do that.

If you break one part of the law you are guilty of the whole law.
Render unto Cesar was a brilliant answer Christ gave to those who sought to condemn him
I'm pretty sure he did not want his Apostles partaking in the carnal actions of Rome.
I do not want to debate,I admit it was a profound post.
I have a marriage license,but I would not do it over except for those who would think it evil not to have one.
Do me a favor Google the topic and do a in depth study of the origin of marriage license.
Forgive me if I have offended you I have said too much.
The point I am making is the licence does go against the Word of God.

When you repeat your marriage vows, you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that legal contract: 1) you; 2) your spouse; and 3) the state of Ohio. The state is a party to the contract because under its laws, you have certain obligations and responsibilities to each other, to any children you may have, and to Ohio.”

SOURCE: http://www.ohiobar.org/pub/lawfacts/index.asp?articleid

 

[now faith]

One more question?
If a couple vow before God in a marriage ceremony,and are faithful in keeping the vows set forth the same vows as any other Christian marriage,and staying faithful only to each other.

In comparison two people living together but unwilling to marry due to carnal future endeavors.

Are both of these circumstances equal?

 

[now faith]

Parental Consent and Notification Laws
Parental Consent
The Abortion Pill
In-Clinic Abortion Procedures
Parental Consent and Notification Laws
Abortion
The Abortion Pill
In-Clinic Abortion Procedures
Parental Consent and Notification Laws
If you are under 18, your state may require one or both of your parents to give permission for your abortion or be told of your decision prior to the abortion. In most states with these requirements:
You can ask a judge to excuse you from getting permission or telling your parent or guardian. (This is called a "judicial bypass.")
A legal guardian can give permission or be notified in place of a parent.
If you meet legal rules showing that you are independent of the care and control of your parents or a guardian, you do not need to get their permission or notify them.
In some states, you can be excused from involving a parent without going to a judge if you are the victim of abuse or neglect and you or your doctor report this to the appropriate authorities.
To find out more about the laws in your state and the judicial bypass option, contact your local Planned Parenthood health center.

Alabama
Your state requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
Alaska
Your state requires that one of your parents be told of your decision 48 hours before your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
Arizona
Your state requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
Arkansas
Your state requires that one of your parents give permission for your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
California
No parental involvement requirement.
Colorado
Your state requires that one of your parents be told of your decision 48 hours before your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement. If you do not live with your parents, but you live with a grandparent, or an adult aunt or uncle, the adult relative you live with may be told in place of your parents.
Connecticut
No parental involvement requirement
Delaware
Your state requires that one of your parents, a grandparent or a mental health professional be told of your decision 24 hours before your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement. This law only applies to girls younger than 16.
District of Columbia (Washington, D.C.)
No parental involvement requirement
Florida
Your state requires that one of your parents be told of your decision 48 hours before your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
Georgia
Your state requires that one of your parents be told of your decision 24 hours before your abortion. A judge can excuse you from this requirement.
Hawaii
No parental involvement requirement.
- See more at: Parental Consent and Notification Laws :: Planned Parenthood

As you can see some states allow no parental involvement why? The legal precedents of the marriage license.

 

[dragongunner]

Well that's great to use to condemn,but the next time a Church adds a room without a permit
They need to repent.
Speed limits are a straw man,not revelatory.
We are talking about a covenant with the state,and 2 people.
I guess if the state said kill your parents when they are 70 we should do that.

If you break one part of the law you are guilty of the whole law.
Render unto Cesar was a brilliant answer Christ gave to those who sought to condemn him
I'm pretty sure he did not want his Apostles partaking in the carnal actions of Rome.
I do not want to debate,I admit it was a profound post.
I have a marriage license,but I would not do it over except for those who would think it evil not to have one.
Do me a favor Google the topic and do a in depth study of the origin of marriage license.
Forgive me if I have offended you I have said too much.
The point I am making is the licence does go against the Word of God.

When you repeat your marriage vows, you enter into a legal contract. There are three parties to that legal contract: 1) you; 2) your spouse; and 3) the state of Ohio. The state is a party to the contract because under its laws, you have certain obligations and responsibilities to each other, to any children you may have, and to Ohio.”

SOURCE: http://www.ohiobar.org/pub/lawfacts/index.asp?articleid

I don't even know where to begin to respond to your last 3 posts.....You believe there is scripture that a marriage license is wrong, please share. You got a marriage license but believe it goes against the word of God.....but you would do it again because of what "man" might think of you.....? I'm afraid anything else I would say would only upset and offend you more than I wanted too, and thats only going to lead to more hurt feelings I'm afraid. I admire very much your pro-life stance. As far as marriage license's, yes its the law, if someone takes that law away, so be it. But until then, render to Ceaser what is Ceasers. It in no way renders my ability to serve God in my "marriage".

Your whole statement that if the state says kill your parents when they are 70 you should do it shows me you have not understood anything that I posted. I will refrain...sigh.

God Bless.

 

[BeautifulLove]

I don't even know where to begin to respond to your last 3 posts.....You believe there is scripture that a marriage license is wrong, please share. You got a marriage license but believe it goes against the word of God.....but you would do it again because of what "man" might think of you.....? I'm afraid anything else I would say would only upset and offend you more than I wanted too, and thats only going to lead to more hurt feelings I'm afraid. I admire very much your pro-life stance. As far as marriage license's, yes its the law, if someone takes that law away, so be it. But until then, render to Ceaser what is Ceasers. It in no way renders my ability to serve God in my "marriage".

Your whole statement that if the state says kill your parents when they are 70 you should do it shows me you have not understood anything that I posted. I will refrain...sigh.

God Bless.

Although now faith may have some radical views I think he makes some valid points. I think it's so important to keep an open mind about everything and ultimately make our own judgements to our situations in relation to God. With God's guidance, of course.

The OP seems like he has made a decision that suites them both which I hope they have many blessings and happiness through that decision.

I do think the laws of the land are important. Taxes help us all even though we don't like to pay them. Police keep everyone in line and try to help people. If you break a law, you will most likely go to jail. However, let's not forget that the government has no laws against people who have sex before marriage or even adultery!

In that just right there we must make our own decisions. If legal marriage feels right to someone then great! I doubt the government cares how much love we have in our heart to marry us together but God definitely cares.

It is also very dangerous to follow the government too much. I think what God tells you in your heart is the way to go.

Revelation 14:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)

9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Even though we have little idea of how this will all play out in the end, I think it's important to point out that this verse says "If anyone worships the beast and it's image AND receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand" meaning hopefully Christians will be able to turn away from what we know is bad which sounds like will be some form of government later on no matter how you slice it.

We just have to keep an eye out! God bless you.

 

[dragongunner]

Although now faith may have some radical views I think he makes some valid points. I think it's so important to keep an open mind about everything and ultimately make our own judgements to our situations in relation to God. With God's guidance, of course.

The OP seems like he has made a decision that suites them both which I hope they have many blessings and happiness through that decision.

I do think the laws of the land are important. Taxes help us all even though we don't like to pay them. Police keep everyone in line and try to help people. If you break a law, you will most likely go to jail. However, let's not forget that the government has no laws against people who have sex before marriage or even adultery!

In that just right there we must make our own decisions. If legal marriage feels right to someone then great! I doubt the government cares how much love we have in our heart to marry us together but God definitely cares.

It is also very dangerous to follow the government too much. I think what God tells you in your heart is the way to go.

Revelation 14:9-11 English Standard Version (ESV)

9 And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.”

Even though we have little idea of how this will all play out in the end, I think it's important to point out that this verse says "If anyone worships the beast and it's image AND receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand" meaning hopefully Christians will be able to turn away from what we know is bad which sounds like will be some form of government later on no matter how you slice it.

We just have to keep an eye out! God bless you.

from post #23..... Obeying Authority doesn't mean we obey no matter what, it means if it doesn't go against the word of God we should submit.

 

[BeautifulLove]

from post #23..... Obeying Authority doesn't mean we obey no matter what, it means if it doesn't go against the word of God we should submit.

I think the bible means to "submit" if the government is asking for something (like we all must pay taxes because they tell us we must). The government isn't asking us to get married.

 

[dragongunner]

I think the bible means to "submit" if the government is asking for something (like we all must pay taxes because they tell us we must). The government isn't asking us to get married.

Who said they were? They simply require a marriage license for proof of marriage for various reasons. So they are asking for something.

 

[now faith]

Thank you all,no need to worry about hurt feelings.
I should have done a better job conveying my reasoning,I was trying to help the thread starter.

It is only my personal opinion that due to circumstances that do not allow for a licence two people
Have to live in shame being committed to a monogamous bond.
It is the Church members who condemn and attempt to be the authority over the relationship deciding
If it is proper.
they provide a very legal stance against divorce promoting a couple to tough it out.
The problem is they judge without a clue as to the circumstances.

This legalism can cause great misery or death and it boils down to the principles and God.
The misery comes when people are set against their brothers and sisters over a legal view from the leaders.
Sadly this just happened to a friend of mine,so excuse my zeal.
Thank you all God bless

 

[CloakForSword]

This is one many people struggle with.

 

[GQ Chris]

Get married. God will provide for your medical needs. He's your source, not the government.

 

[GQ Chris]

Seek first the Kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you.