Not at all. Black and white does not negate mercy and grace, both of which were extended to the prostitue.
Jesus never said that the woman wasn't wrong. He said "...neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."
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Not at all. Black and white does not negate mercy and grace, both of which were extended to the prostitue.
Jesus never said that the woman wasn't wrong. He said "...neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more."
On the one hand stryder06 had a good point, Jesus did say those words. And He did say things like if you break one law, then you broke them all. But I think Jesus was simply so gifted that he could meet each situation as the need demanded; for it is His eternal goal to "save to the uttermost."
This is what He said:So if a person is not "for" Jesus, then the black & white thinking would come into effect. However, the text itself is not so black and white for Jesus is seeking to include those who are "not one of us," as a part of His kingdom.
I'm a bit confused by your post. What portion of the scripture that you quoted is unclear that would keep it from being "black and white"?
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Castaway57
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I didn't say any scripture was "unclear." I simply said that Jesus not only thought in the black & white sense; but for many cases he also sought to include ones who were "not one of us." Meaning we cant use that verse to "prove He was "black & white."
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I didn't say any scripture was "unclear." I simply said that Jesus not only thought in the black & white sense; but for many cases he also sought to include ones who were "not one of us." Meaning we cant use that verse to "prove He was "black & white."
I'm still not following. How does Christ's attempt to include those who are "not one of us" a case to show that the scripture can't be used to prove He was a "black and white" type of Teacher?
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Castaway57
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I think you are just callin them out the back door rather than the front door. Do you go to church at all your self? Are you still an Adventist?
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Castaway57
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If you would just read the verse in context, and quit accusing or arguing with people when you don't need to, just because they are not Adventists, the text would sound much different:
So Luke 9:50 certainly is anything other than "black & white."
Another way we can see that your black & white rule doesnt apply is here:
It does not follow, that these different intentions of the preachers should hinder the spreading of the gospel, and therefore it should not abate either your confidence or mine in the cause of Christ, since, by the overruling providence of God, that is carried on, both by the one and the other; not only by those who in truth preach the word faithfully, Jer 23:28 Mat 22:16, from a principle of love, (as before), to the same good intent with myself; but also by those who, though they act (as in Phi 1:15) out of envy and ill will to me, for base ends under a fair show, 1Th 2:5, yet they occasionally and accidentally, not by any direct causality, do promote the interest of Christ.
Sounds to me like maybe Jesus and the gospel have other colors besides "black & white" in the mix.
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all that black & white stuff wont do you any good... just add a little bit more color and might get closer to Jesus than ever before! :0
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Or it could leave you further away then you imagined. Certain the bible talks about indecisiveness, and it's not in a positive way.
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I get the feeling that you might have misunderstood what I meant by Christ being a "black and white" type of Teacher. I wasn't trying to use that verse to accuse and argue with anyone simply because they're not Adventist. I was talking about Christ's stance in regards to truth. In short, right is right, and wrong is wrong. There were no shades of grey in regards to what was and wasn't sin.
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Castaway57
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I see your point now; and I certainly agree. Thanks for the clarifications.
I think where I was more coming from when I said the comment re there being more than just the colors of black & white was in how Jesus judges, us, as compared to how we judge one another.
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IMHO the Lord will always take circumstances into account... how could it be otherwise? Think about somebody stealing because of hunger (or even starvation) or a rich kid stealing just for fun...
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Castaway57
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If you were consistent; you would have said the same thing about Leo. This forum is for Adventist members only. Please post somewhere else.
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I see your point now; and I certainly agree. Thanks for the clarifications.
I think where I was more coming from when I said the comment re there being more than just the colors of black & white was in how Jesus judges, us, as compared to how we judge one another.
Indeed. Jesus is just and we are judged according to the light we have, and our heart. I think the problem is that some people get caught up on the word judgment whenever you try to tell someone that what they are doing is wrong.
We are suppose to judge in righteousness, however, it is not ours to condemn. Unfortunately many people take being told they're wrong, as a statement of condemnation.
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Well like the women caught in adultery, grace covered her sin, but then Christ said 'Go and sin no more'.
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