A fascinating discussion just got started on the most recent "Primitive Faith Question" thread, and I would like to explore it deeper here.
An example was given of table bread at the Communion being invalid. I would tend to argue that it is perhaps illicit, but not invalid, if there is absolutely no other way to get bread for the Sacrament. I have had to, in an emergency, use a slice of wheat bread to administer the Sacrament. I have no reservations about doing so when there is no other way to offer Communion.
Interestingly, I noted the following in a discussion on preparing for a mission Priest in the pre V2 days:
"You could be pressed for time. Say a missionary priest is coming to your home in a week, and you have no wine. You have ripe grapes or raisins. Make grape-must. For your clear conscience I quote "Matters Liturgical", Wuest & Mullaney, 1959, Imprimatur April 14, 1959. Page 328):
The following substances are valid matter for consecration, but gravely illicit except in a case of real necessity: unfermented grape-must:....
Just start the ripe grape juice fermenting for a day or so, strain it, and EUREKA, you have grape-must."
I believe that this "grape-must" is the "mustim" of the modern Latin Rite that is permitted with Ecclesiastical approbation for use by Priests who are recovering alchololics.
If unfermented "grape-must" can be used validly. . . then why not a slice of wheat bread, in a pinch?
Now, when we start talking about cinnamon/sugar rasin toast for Communion, then you'll get my validity guns going ;-)
Fr. Rob
An example was given of table bread at the Communion being invalid. I would tend to argue that it is perhaps illicit, but not invalid, if there is absolutely no other way to get bread for the Sacrament. I have had to, in an emergency, use a slice of wheat bread to administer the Sacrament. I have no reservations about doing so when there is no other way to offer Communion.
Interestingly, I noted the following in a discussion on preparing for a mission Priest in the pre V2 days:
"You could be pressed for time. Say a missionary priest is coming to your home in a week, and you have no wine. You have ripe grapes or raisins. Make grape-must. For your clear conscience I quote "Matters Liturgical", Wuest & Mullaney, 1959, Imprimatur April 14, 1959. Page 328):
The following substances are valid matter for consecration, but gravely illicit except in a case of real necessity: unfermented grape-must:....
Just start the ripe grape juice fermenting for a day or so, strain it, and EUREKA, you have grape-must."
I believe that this "grape-must" is the "mustim" of the modern Latin Rite that is permitted with Ecclesiastical approbation for use by Priests who are recovering alchololics.
If unfermented "grape-must" can be used validly. . . then why not a slice of wheat bread, in a pinch?
Now, when we start talking about cinnamon/sugar rasin toast for Communion, then you'll get my validity guns going ;-)
Fr. Rob