Forgivness & Confession

[OrthodoxyUSA]

again,there is 0 Proof for this.Yes I want to see a letter from paul proving it!

Prove that air is real. I think it's just made up...

Do you really know so little of Christian history?

Forgive me...

 

[PaladinValer]

Correct he Died to TAKE THEM AWAY.

Only sin you need to repent of is our unbelief in Jesus.Asking Christ to forgive what he already has isn't scriptural!

Actually, I misspelled; we do worry about sinning after baptism because we are not montanists. Montanists don't care, and they were declared heretics. My original post has been corrected.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Actually, I misspelled; we do worry about sinning after baptism because we are not montanists. Montanists don't care, and they were declared heretics. My original post has been corrected.

Thanks PaladinValer...

I didn't what that heresy's name was....Montanists

Forgive me...

 

[rugerfann]

Actually, I misspelled; we do worry about sinning after baptism because we are not montanists. Montanists don't care, and they were declared heretics. My original post has been corrected.

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If your worried about sin,you need to get out the Old covenant!Legalism is at your doorstep!

 

[ps139]

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If your worried about sin,you need to get out the Old covenant!Legalism is at your doorstep!

So now repenting for your sins is legalism?
We are called to be obedient to Christ Our Lord.
He's more than just a "buddy," He is Our Lord, Judge, and GOD.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

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If your worried about sin,you need to get out the Old covenant!Legalism is at your doorstep!

It doesn't bother you that your spouting heresy?

Forgive me...

 

[PaladinValer]

We must worry about sin, though not in the way the montanists do. Montanism says that any sin after baptism is hell-worthy and unrepentable.

What orthodox Christians believe is that any future sins after an "Age of Accountability" are grevious, but are repentable. Repent means, after all, "to return to God." By repenting, we are turning away from the sin and to earnestly attempt to never do it again. We will struggle but with God's help and a bit of effort, we can prevail.

By saying we don't need to repent, it is to say that Jesus' death was to simply excuse our sins. That isn't what Jesus did.

 

[rugerfann]

So now repenting for your sins is legalism?
We are called to be obedient to Christ Our Lord.
He's more than just a "buddy," He is Our Lord, Judge, and GOD.

One can only repent of the sin of unbelief once!

Repent means to change your mind,to turn away from.

 

[rugerfann]

It doesn't bother you that your spouting heresy?

Forgive me...

How becuase,I don't trust the Rcc or occ?

 

[rugerfann]

We must worry about sin, though not in the way the montanists do. Montanism says that any sin after baptism is hell-worthy and unrepentable.

What orthodox Christians believe is that any future sins after an "Age of Accountability" are grevious, but are repentable. Repent means, after all, "to return to God." By repenting, we are turning away from the sin and to earnestly attempt to never do it again. We will struggle but with God's help and a bit of effort, we can prevail.

By saying we don't need to repent, it is to say that Jesus' death was to simply excuse our sins. That isn't what Jesus did.

Nope,what I'm saying is Jesus took away all sin but unbelief at the cross.He said it is FINISHED.I believe this,you don't.You believe it isn't finished.Take it up with Jesus,he said it,i believed it.

 

[PaladinValer]

So if I were to murder someone, it doesn't matter even if I don't repent? Look out! That doesn't equate to unbelief, so now you have a Catch 22: either I the murder goes to heaven despite never repenting or I must repent, and thus contradicting your stance

Loose-loose situation.

 

[rugerfann]

So if I were to murder someone, it doesn't matter even if I don't repent? Look out! That doesn't equate to unbelief, so now you have a Catch 22: either I the murder goes to heaven despite never repenting or I must repent, and thus contradicting your stance

Loose-loose situation.

If you where in Christ you still go to heaven!

Why is this,you might ask?

Becuase God isn't holding you sins against you anymore.Jesus paid for and took them all away at the Cross.One doesn't go to hell for any other reason that blaspemy of the holy Spirit.This is the only sin that will never be forgiven,all other already have been forgiven!

If a christian comits a sin,let's say murder.The attitude is not,yipee I get to sin all I want,But rather why whould you want to comit murder if you have christ in you?See thinking a christian goes to hell for sin,is not understanding,or refusing to believe that christ has taken away all your sin.Its also believeing that Salvation is geting you sins forgiven and its not.

 

[PaladinValer]

That is montanism, a heresy.

Proof may be found in A History of Christian Theology by Placher, page 65.

 

[ps139]

If a christian comits a sin,let's say murder.The attitude is not,yipee I get to sin all I want,But rather why whould you want to comit murder if you have christ in you?See thinking a christian goes to hell for sin,is not understanding,or refusing to believe that christ has taken away all your sin.Its also believeing that Salvation is geting you sins forgiven and its not.

So if a Christian commits murder he does not have to repent??

You say, "why whould you want to comit murder if you have christ in you?"

I ask you "why would you not want to repent of your sins if you have Christ in you?"

 

[rugerfann]

So if a Christian commits murder he does not have to repent??

You say, "why whould you want to comit murder if you have christ in you?"

I ask you "why would you not want to repent of your sins if you have Christ in you?"

Becuase I already have repented for all my sins!Its not a contining process!

 

[rugerfann]

That is montanism, a heresy.

Proof may be found in A History of Christian Theology by Placher, page 65.

Nope,its complete Trust In Christ Jesus and not trusting myself!

 

[rugerfann]

Repent means to turn away and never do again.You can't repent more than once!If you do,you never have repented!

 

[ps139]

Repent means to turn away and never do again.You can't repent more than once!If you do,you never have repented!

False.
You can repent with the intention of never committing that sin again.
But, since we are sinful humans, that doesn't always happen.

You fall off the horse, you get back on. You fall off again, you get back on again - you don't want to just lay in the mud saying it doesnt matter if you get up again...

 

[ps139]

Becuase I already have repented for all my sins!Its not a contining process!

How can you repent for a sin you will commit in 20 years? Can I borrow the keys to your time machine??

 

[ExOrienteLux]

Try this on for size:

Jesus, knowing that the Father had given all things into His hands, and that He had come from God and was going to God, rose from supper, laid aside His gaments, and girded Himself with a towel. Then He poured water into a basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel with which He was girdled. He came to Simon Peter; and Peter said to Him, "Lord, do You wash my feet?" Jesus answered him, "What I am doing you do not know now, but afterward you will understand." Peter said to Him, You shall never wash my feet." Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part in Me." Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, not my feet only but also my hands and my head!" Jesus said to him, "He who has bathed does not need to wash, except for his feet, but he is clean all over; and ye are clean, but not every one of you."

If one looks beyond the simple historical narrative that occurs in this passage from the Gospels, there is a clear reference to Baptism and Confession. Our Lord tells St. Peter that if one is not washed by Him (ie, undergoes Baptism), then one has no part in Him. But, note that Our Lord does not stop there. He says that those who are clean (those who have been Baptised) do not need to wash, except for the feet.

In the ancient world, the feet were always the filthiest parts of the body, since they walked through dust, grime and excrement daily. It was common courtesy and simple hygeine for one to either wash one's own feet or have them washed by a servant before entering another's house or a place of worship. How does this apply to us, though?

As believers, we who have been washed in the waters of Baptism have been cleansed from all previous sins and from the stain of the world which we were born into. However, we still walk through the filth and ordure of sin every day, and though we are clean, we still need to cleanse our souls of the sins which we daily, hourly, and minutely commit, especially before we draw nigh unto the Lord in worship.

Through the words of Christ to His Apostles granting them the authority to forgive sins as Christ's emissaries on earth, which power was passed to their sucessors, even to the present day, we are given the opportunity to have our feet washed by the Saviour Himself, as those same Apostles were. One would have to be a fool not to avail himself of this opportunity at every possible time.

Call me an Origenist, but I consistently see deeper, spiritual meanings behind the obvious meaning in a text.

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Phillip.