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rugerfann said:what was yer question?
On repent,its a fact it means in greek to change yer mind!
You might consider doing a little study on your own - don't read a condensed booklet that has a theological axe to grind - read the ECF.Nope
I do believe the ana-baptists where the some the first christian churches though,they went into hiding from the Rcc so alot is very hard to prove.
filosofer said:
You might consider doing a little study on your own - don't read a condensed booklet that has a theological axe to grind - read the ECF.
rugerfann said:Yea I understand the ana-baptists have a axe to grind.I whould expect anyone who founding father of there church have been murdered and persicuted to have a axe to grind,as well as the church responsible.
Whats the ecf?
FreeinChrist said:ECF refers to the Early Church Fathers and one source for their works are here:
http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/
While they can be interesting to read, their works are not scripture. Also, when reading them, one needs to keep in mind what issues a particular writer was addressing and in what context.
rugerfann said:I do believe the ana-baptists where the some the first christian churches though,they went into hiding from the Rcc so alot is very hard to prove.
rugerfann said:It is a Work,but I never trusted it to save me.I know realize that is grieveuos to continualy ask him to do what he has already done.
Supose I paid 100,000,000 for a dept you owed.And you continuely asked me to pay the dept for you.I tell you,I paid the dept.And you continue to ask me,after a while I whould get grieved about it becuase you don't trust I paid it.And you still continue to ask.Basicaly you are it this point calling me a Liar.This is what man does to god,over and over,instead of thanking him.
Man should Thank God for what he has done,and stop asking him to do what he already has done.
rugerfann said:Where is constantine in that mix?
FreeinChrist said:Rugerfann,
Are you referring to the Roman Emperor Constantine I (306 - 337 A.D.)?
He is not regarded as an ECF regarding theology and it's development, that I know of.
As far as repenting and confession, I understand what you are saying about our sins being forgiven at the cross, and our future sins are forgiven as well as our past ones when we came to Christ. However, I believe that a person who is truly in Christ will be brought to remorse for the sins they commit and that Christ does want us to confess our sins that we commit to others as needed and to ask His forgiveness after we commit them. This is because that while we are spiritually saved, we are being 'sanctified', growing in holiness. We need to grow in Christ and gain the wisdom that comes from humbling ourselves before Christ and our brothers and sisters in admitting our struggles. I don't believe that Christ gets tired our repeated confessions to Him, but uses those confessions to give us wisdom and patience and understanding. In a like manner, those who suffer hardships of all kinds can gain wisdom from Christ from dealing with those hardships. We never quit growing.
rugerfann said:He started the rcc far as I can tell.He permited it to hapen so he had controll.
So if you do not trust strongs, then which greek to english dictionary do you get that definition?PaladinValer said:I don't trust Strong's worth a darn for its ideological-biased entries.
Repent means changing one's behavior.
filosofer said:So how do you understand the Greek preposition in 2:38 EIS? IS that purpose or result?
filosofer said:Actually if you read the text of 1 Peter 3:21 baptism is not the symbol. And the NIV use of "symbol" that is a poor translation of the Greek word ANTITYPON. Try the NKJV:
"There is also an antitype which now saves us - baptism..."
Note that the previous thing (the saving through the water at the time of the flood) is the type, and it points to the greater thing - the "antitype", which is the saving through baptism.
Archangel said:Sorry I dont understand what you're talking about. I am only 17 and do not have a degree in theology.
So now we argue over translations? Well I cud say that the NKJV is a poor translation also. Many churches believe that baptisim is not required for salvation. Have they got it all wrong based on a mistranslation?
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