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ps139 said:False.
You can repent with the intention of never committing that sin again.
But, since we are sinful humans, that doesn't always happen.
You fall off the horse, you get back on. You fall off again, you get back on again - you don't want to just lay in the mud saying it doesnt matter if you get up again...
rugerfann said:This is the biblical interpetating of repent.It means to never do again!
ExOrienteLux said:Try this on for size:
If one looks beyond the simple historical narrative that occurs in this passage from the Gospels, there is a clear reference to Baptism and Confession. Our Lord tells St. Peter that if one is not washed by Him (ie, undergoes Baptism), then one has no part in Him. But, note that Our Lord does not stop there. He says that those who are clean (those who have been Baptised) do not need to wash, except for the feet.
In the ancient world, the feet were always the filthiest parts of the body, since they walked through dust, grime and excrement daily. It was common courtesy and simple hygeine for one to either wash one's own feet or have them washed by a servant before entering another's house or a place of worship. How does this apply to us, though?
As believers, we who have been washed in the waters of Baptism have been cleansed from all previous sins and from the stain of the world which we were born into. However, we still walk through the filth and ordure of sin every day, and though we are clean, we still need to cleanse our souls of the sins which we daily, hourly, and minutely commit, especially before we draw nigh unto the Lord in worship.
Through the words of Christ to His Apostles granting them the authority to forgive sins as Christ's emissaries on earth, which power was passed to their sucessors, even to the present day, we are given the opportunity to have our feet washed by the Saviour Himself, as those same Apostles were. One would have to be a fool not to avail himself of this opportunity at every possible time.
Call me an Origenist, but I consistently see deeper, spiritual meanings behind the obvious meaning in a text.
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Phillip.
ExOrienteLux said:Actually, 'repentance' in Greek is metanoia, which literally translates to "change of mind".
Just thought you might want to know...
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rugerfann said:But you need to also understand.Jesus Forgave ALL you sins at the cross,not just some of them.
rugerfann said:Correct,and has one changed his mind if he does it again?I whould say No!
ExOrienteLux said:Try this on for size:
If one looks beyond the simple historical narrative that occurs in this passage from the Gospels, there is a clear reference to Baptism and Confession. Our Lord tells St. Peter that if one is not washed by Him (ie, undergoes Baptism), then one has no part in Him. But, note that Our Lord does not stop there. He says that those who are clean (those who have been Baptised) do not need to wash, except for the feet.
In the ancient world, the feet were always the filthiest parts of the body, since they walked through dust, grime and excrement daily. It was common courtesy and simple hygeine for one to either wash one's own feet or have them washed by a servant before entering another's house or a place of worship. How does this apply to us, though?
As believers, we who have been washed in the waters of Baptism have been cleansed from all previous sins and from the stain of the world which we were born into. However, we still walk through the filth and ordure of sin every day, and though we are clean, we still need to cleanse our souls of the sins which we daily, hourly, and minutely commit, especially before we draw nigh unto the Lord in worship.
Through the words of Christ to His Apostles granting them the authority to forgive sins as Christ's emissaries on earth, which power was passed to their sucessors, even to the present day, we are given the opportunity to have our feet washed by the Saviour Himself, as those same Apostles were. One would have to be a fool not to avail himself of this opportunity at every possible time.
Call me an Origenist, but I consistently see deeper, spiritual meanings behind the obvious meaning in a text.
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Phillip.
rugerfann said:This is the biblical interpetating of repent.It means to never do again!
ExOrienteLux said:Here's a hypothetical situation for you:
Say some time you're speeding down the highway, and the Highway Patrol pulls you over and gives you a ticket. However, the judge decides to be merciful and not charge you the fine, for no reason that you can fathom. After you hear the verdict, you decide to not speed again. However, one day when you're driving, you happen to glance at your speedometer and see that you're going about five miles per hour over the speed limit. Against your best intentions and better judgement, you sped again.
What's this do to your assertions?
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Phillip.
ExOrienteLux said:Try this on for size:
If one looks beyond the simple historical narrative that occurs in this passage from the Gospels, there is a clear reference to Baptism and Confession. Our Lord tells St. Peter that if one is not washed by Him (ie, undergoes Baptism), then one has no part in Him. But, note that Our Lord does not stop there. He says that those who are clean (those who have been Baptised) do not need to wash, except for the feet.
In the ancient world, the feet were always the filthiest parts of the body, since they walked through dust, grime and excrement daily. It was common courtesy and simple hygeine for one to either wash one's own feet or have them washed by a servant before entering another's house or a place of worship. How does this apply to us, though?
As believers, we who have been washed in the waters of Baptism have been cleansed from all previous sins and from the stain of the world which we were born into. However, we still walk through the filth and ordure of sin every day, and though we are clean, we still need to cleanse our souls of the sins which we daily, hourly, and minutely commit, especially before we draw nigh unto the Lord in worship.
Through the words of Christ to His Apostles granting them the authority to forgive sins as Christ's emissaries on earth, which power was passed to their sucessors, even to the present day, we are given the opportunity to have our feet washed by the Saviour Himself, as those same Apostles were. One would have to be a fool not to avail himself of this opportunity at every possible time.
Call me an Origenist, but I consistently see deeper, spiritual meanings behind the obvious meaning in a text.
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Phillip.
rugerfann said:It's important to remember this verse he is talking about a non-christian.No Christian whould ever believe that he had no sin.
It doesn't only place it says that is in 1 John 1:9 and if you read 1:8 he is talking to unbelievers.
I find these claims of yours astounding, especially the last one. Everything in the New Testament was written to and for Christians.Except 1 john 1:9 which is not talking to christians!
rugerfann said:Then I didn't truely repent.One can only repent once!
Archangel said:Hi!
Once you become a Christian you are sealed with the Holy Spirit [Eph 1]
The second you give your life to Jesus are all of your past present and future sins forgiven there and then on the spot? Or do we have to continue to confess our sins in order for them to be forgiven?
If we have to confess our sins in order for them to be forgiven then can a person enter heaven with unforgiven sins because they have never confessed them?
The overal question is, Does God forgive a Christian who doesn't/forgets to confess their sins?
prodromos said:I find these claims of yours astounding, especially the last one. Everything in the New Testament was written to and for Christians.
katherine2001 said:Let me get this straight. Are you saying that you are sinless?
Orthodoxyusa said:From: The Pearl by Michael Whelton
WHAT DOES THE ORTHODOX CHURCH TEACH REGARDING GUARANTEED SALVATION?
The Orthodox Churchs objection to the doctrine of guaranteed salvation is firmly based in Scripture and Tradition, which radically oppose it. The New Testament, while preaching the mercy and love of God and His desire for the salvation of all, is also full of warnings to those who might presume His mercy and grow lax in their faith, as St. Paul warns the Philippians: Wherefore, my dearly beloved, (as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but much more in my absence,) with fear and trembling work out your salvation (Philippians 2:12). This great apostle even tells the Corinthians that the salvation he constantly preaches could be lost for himself: But I chastise my body, and bring it into subjection, lest perhaps, when I have preached to others, I myself should become a castaway (1 Cor 9:27).
To those who believe that a born again experience and the acceptance of Christ as their personal Savior assures them of salvation, Christ declares, Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter the kingdom of heaven (Matt 7:21). St. Paul solemnly reminds them: For we must all be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive the proper things of the body, according as he hath done, whether it be good or evil (2 Cor 2:10).
Our one single act of faith will not shield the deeds and acts of a lifetime, as God will render to every man according to his works (Ram 2:6). For those Christians living devout lives, St. Paul warns them to continue in their lives of sanctity, lest they lose their salvation. See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off (Rom 11:22).
Statements such as these completely undercut the doctrine of assured salvation, a doctrine almost unknown for the first 1,500 years until the Protestant Revolt. In keeping with the teaching of the New Testament and the Patristic Tradition, the Orthodox Church has constantly taught that salvation is a lifelong process where Christians are saved daily through repentance and the yielding of their mind, heart and will to God. St. Paul likened it to a race for an incorruptible crown where look forward to their glorification with Jesus at the Second Coming (1 Cor 9:25).
WHAT DOES THE ORTHODOX CHURCH TEACH REGARDING SALVTION OUTSIDE THE CHURCH?
The Orthodox Church has always confronted the world as the Church of Jesus Christ. Christ did not found many churchesHe only founded one. She is the Church of the Apostles and Martyrs and of the Seven Ecumenical Councils that has an unbroken line back to the apostles. This claim flows from her sense of unity with God and Gods bond with His Church. As the Orthodox theologian Alexis Khomiakov explains it in his essay, The Church is one. Its unity follows of necessity from the unity of God.
Since God and His Church cannot be separated, the Orthodox Church teaches that there is no salvation outside the Church. However, this does not mean that all those souls outside the Church are damned, any more than all those souls within the Church are saved. As Augustine \observed, How many sheep there are without, how many wolves within! God does not demand the impossible; those people who genuinely try to obey their consciences and/or have been denied the knowledge that Christ is the Savior of mankind may merit eternal salvation. Plus, there are people who are not visibly members of the Church but whose membership is known only to God. However, if anyone is saved, he must, in some sense, be a member of the Church, but in what sense, it is not always possible to say.
Alexis Khomiakov explains the Orthodox position very succinctly:
Inasmuch as the earthly and visible Church is not the fullness and completeness of the whole Church which the Lord has appointed to appear at the final judgment of all creation, she acts and knows only within her own limits; and . . . does not judge the rest of mankind, and only looks upon those as excluded, that is to say, not belonging to her, who exclude themselves. The rest of mankind, whether alien from the Church, or united to her by ties which God has not willed to reveal to her, she leaves to the judgment of the great day.
Forgive me...
SLStrohkirch said:Having viewed a few of the responses after this original post I think there is a lot of error being taught in protestant churches regarding what sins are forgiven when are regenerated through Baptism. We are forgiven for past and present sins, but not future sins. We can't be forgiven for what he haven't done yet. Not only that but the Holy Spirit can enable us to resist temptation and flee from it. On the other hand if we rely only on our own will and power we have the ability to reject this gift of Grace bought for us with Jesus blood.
The verses in 1 John 1:8-9 speak the truth of our condition.
rugerfann said:Nope,its complete Trust In Christ Jesus and not trusting myself!
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