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remy

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well, don't get me wrong, he didn't preach about self-forgiveness, but he also stated it's not in the bible.

Matthew 6:5-14

5"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9"This, then, is how you should pray:
" 'Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10your kingdom come,
your will be done
on earth as it is in heaven.
11Give us today our daily bread.
12Forgive us our debts,
as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from the evil one.' 14For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins."

It's just that to me, God's forgiveness seems diminished if we say we forgive ourselves.
 
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One of my favorite parts of the Bible is Philippians chapter 2. It's a reminder to be unselfish (vss. 1-4) and humble (vss. 5-8). It's a reminder to think of others-- not only myself. BUT....

Philippians 2 also reminds me that I should respect myself as well. (Within reason ofcouse. "For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you." ~Romans 12:3). There is a balance to be found.
Philippians 2:1-41 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2 then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3 Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. 4 Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.
Verse 2 says that we should have the "SAME" love and be "ONE" in spirit and purpose. Verse 4 doesn't say that we should not look out for our own interests. It merely says that we should not look only to our own interests. If we do not forgive ourselves, then we are ignoring those interests. If we're working together (having the "same" love and being "one" in spirit), then we should forgive others and ourselves in much the same manner.
In Romans 12:1, Paul says:
Therefore, I urge you, brothers, in view of God's mercy, to offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God--this is your spiritual act of worship.
This verse is saying that you are to make yourselves holy and pleasing unto God. How can I do this without forgiving myself?

Ephesians 4:22-24 says that we not the same. Paul talks here about righteousness and holiness. (Again, I think this means that we need to forgive ourselves).
22 You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.
Later in Romans 12, (verse 18), Paul says:
If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Couldn't that again be applied to oneself. How can you live at peace with yourself without forgiveness?

In Philippians 3:10-14 Paul talks about forgetting what is behind him and pressing on toward what is ahead. (What is in the past is gone-- and Paul had a horrendous past). (See verse 13).
10 I want to know Christ and the power of his resurrection and the fellowship of sharing in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, to attain to the resurrection from the dead. 12 Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. 13 Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, 14 I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
I read a post on this forum recently about forgiveness. An analogy was made that I found very helpful. If you have a child and the child does something to offend you, you will be hurt by this but you will be more than willing to forgive the child because you love him or her. The child might think that what was done was absolutely unforgivable because it hurt you so badly. This shows that the child has a conscience. It shows sorrow on their part. It doesn't mean, though, that they're out of your graces.

I think that the Bible states that we are required to forgive ourselves, but I know that I live a much happier life when I'm at peace with myself. I hope that you are able to work it out.

~Sandy
 
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Ive heard that you don't forgive others for their sake but you forgive for your sake. So if that inverted to also apply to forgiving yourself, then you can really understand that by not forgiving yourself you are distancing yourself from blessings by hanging on to negative emotions. Also isnt it said that there is no condemnation for those who are now in Christ.... And there is another Bible verse, sorry I cant locate it right now but it goes something along the lines that God convicts you of sin but doesnt make you dwell on them (in the New Testament). So if that is happening you know that its not from God. The amazing thing is that when God forgives you, He also forgets. Its harder for us humans to follow suit.

As far as the east is from the west, so far have I moved your transgessions from you says the Lord.
 
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