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Dude... Bible wasn't written in English.KCKID,
Let me be frank. The Bible passages quoted as in post #237, are quoted. They are quoted to show what the Bible says. If they dont mean what they say who could tell anything about what the Bible says!!!
Not accepting they mean what they say in context is disbelief. In context there is no question that these passages condemn same sex relations, there are dozens which countenance man/woman marriage only.
I dont see the point in continuing your argument when all the majority of Christians will do is rightly reject it as continued and determined disbelief.
People can speak different languages.Dude... Bible wasn't written in English
Find me a fluent speaker of both ancient Hebrew and English who agrees with your version of Leviticus and I'll consede the pointLighthorseman,
People can speak different languages.
And many other scholars disagree with the validity of the translations involved. Thats reality for you, take it or leave.Lighthorseman,
The Bible translations are done by many scholars fluent in Hebrew, Greek and English. Thats Christianity for you, take it or leave it.
I'll leave it thanks, I'll stick with Christianity. Christians believe the Bible translations are accurate.And many other scholars disagree with the validity of the translations involved. Thats reality for you, take it or leave.
Yeah, thats not accurate either. Nothing in the Creed mentions "believing Bible translations are accurate".Lighthorseman,
I'll leave it thanks, I'll stick with Christianity. Christians believe the Bible translations are accurate.
NB one can at the same time be a good scholar but not a believer.
Find me a fluent speaker of both ancient Hebrew and English who agrees with your version of Leviticus and I'll consede the point
Lighthorseman,
The creed is taken from the Bible, Christians believe the Bible translations are accurate in matters of faith. If you are suggesting otherwise I suugest you take the discussion out of the Christian section.
The Creed was written by a Church Council. It's possible to find Scriptural warrant for each of its doctrines, but that's not the same as "it's taken from the Bible."
By the way, Phinehas, in your understanding where did the Bible come from? I'm not talking inspiration, but where on the mortal plane did it originate, and why?
Since I have written this out about 20 different times in this thread alone I will simply cut and paste a response directed at another poster:I have to confess, drich0150, that you lost me at the apes.*
Time and time again the so-called 'clobber' scriptures (Book, Chapter and Verse, both OT and NT) have been identified and explained in rather great detail by a number of people on this forum. These explanations differ greatly from what you and others believe them to mean. This does not mean that these explanations are wrong. So, what, precisely, do you want other than what has already been given?
* Will explain the meaning of that expression if asked.
YesThere is?
Thats what most homosexuals do, don't they?
Find me a fluent speaker of both ancient Hebrew and English who agrees with your version of Leviticus and I'll consede the point
Since I have written this out about 20 different times in this thread alone I will simply cut and paste a response directed at another poster:
Why can't you seem to answer the scripture i have put fourth identifying Homosexuality as a sin?
Why do you keep harping on your tired argument? (Over and Over and Over again) From what I have read there is only one who continually goes back to the well you have polluted. And yet you champion this defeated argument at the first sign of semi relevance. Can you not think ANY legitimate evidence to silence my particular identification of the homosexual sin? Or is it you have not been told how to think about it yet?
Let me refresh your memory as to the exact argument:
Homosexuality is a sin because Sex outside of Marriage is a sin. Now because there is Absolutely No Context in The Whole of the Bible to Sanctify a Homosexual relationship in marriage, that puts all Homosexual sex well with in the Realm of SIN..
But also know that this sin is like any other. There is forgiveness for this sin if one can repent of it. Forgiveness only comes through Repentance, not through Acceptance or pride. The Bible teaches Jesus died for the forgiveness of our sins. Teaching and or believing that their is acceptance in sin negates the Gospel of the Bible...
As you can plainly see I have not used or pointed to ANY of the scriptures you or others have "explained." And yet Homosexuality can still be deemed as a sin. So please, the challenge has been issued per your request.
As I have demonstrated many times Homosexuality can still be deemed as a sin without the specific verses in question.
Post 225 is the most recent..
That is the liberal merry-go-round of "Where's your proof?" And when that is shown: "Where's your evidence?" And when that is re-shown?
"Where's your proof?"
Now you see why Jesus advised to cast the dust off your feet and move on.
I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. Even though this is like 1000th time I written this message i want the new guy to have the same chance I have given the rest of them.
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