Forced birth controll?

[lawtonfogle]

Lets say a man and woman got married. Some time later (before they had any kids), it was found out they had the same recessive gene, and that their kids had a 25% chance of having major genetic defects. Should they be forced to use birth control and if they want kids, to adopt (and maybe artificial insemination from a male who doesn't have the recessive gene)?

 

[Domenico]

No. Its a womans right to do what she wants with her body, including get pregnant or refuse to take medications.

Besides, what would you consider necessary to have birth control forced on the person for? Would a recessive gene that causes profound deafness count?

 

[lawtonfogle]

No. Its a womans right to do what she wants with her body, including get pregnant or refuse to take medications.

Besides, what would you consider necessary to have birth control forced on the person for? Would a recessive gene that causes profound deafness count?

Well is it? Notice I was asking a question.

 

[flicka]

No.
First, WHO would do the forcing?
Second, HOW would you force?
Third, unless you can plant someone in the bedroom to make sure they don't have unprotected sex there is always going to be a risk of pregnancy...then of course you can discuss forced abortion.

While things like this are interesting to think about we pretty much have to accept that the limits to how laws effect us end at our body.

 

[lawtonfogle]

No.
First, WHO would do the forcing?
Second, HOW would you force?
Third, unless you can plant someone in the bedroom to make sure they don't have unprotected sex there is always going to be a risk of pregnancy...then of course you can discuss forced abortion.

While things like this are interesting to think about we pretty much have to accept that the limits to how laws effect us end at our body.

Government for first question. As to how, maybe give a chemical birth control and then periodically test the blood for it. If not found, fine them or some such thing.

(The above is just an example which I in no way support).

 

[Bombila]

Forced birth control is an outrageous assault on a person. Not that it hasn't been done. In the recent past, judges in the US have ruled that particular women who've come before the court (charged with narcotic abuse or child neglect, rtc.) must accept implanted hormonal birth control or go to jail.

And what you are describing is eugenics, an ideology which has never turned out well when put into practice, as it has been from time to time in many countries, including, shamefully, my own, where in Alberta in the 1940s/50s(?) people who ended up in a specific mental illness facility were sterilized without their permission.

A far better solution for genetic diseases is to find methods of repairing genes. In the meantime, if couples know they carry a genetic disorder, and they wish to avoid passing it on, there are many things that can be done, including, sometimes, in vitro fertilization to ensure an embryo not carrying the gene is implanted in the mother.

 

[Autumnleaf]

No, they would have a big choice to make on their own.

 

[Verv]

That is a really good question but here is my STUPID RESPONSE to th question:

Even if you are born with a handicap that is cool. Not only are you still a HUMAN but you see the world through even more unique eyes and you can learn amazing lessons that normal people do not even get to know.

I saw that WICKED IRANIAN FILM (oh eyah Iran is a great country with a great culture and a mighty people in spite of its historic inundation with foolish blowhard leaders) about a young boy who was blind...

At one point he spoke about how "God gave blind people a gift because we get to know his world in a way no one else will ever know. And we never judge people on their appearances. We cannot. God made us this way and I think that when people do not understand us or think we are somehow worse off they are so wrong."

I thought, "wow, that is deep."

I have met some handicap people who are wheelchair ridden or who are even mentally handicapped and are more than content with the world.

They can smile at things we cannot and they can enjoy things we cannot.

In one way, that is how we are actually a little handicapped.

 

[flicka]

Government for first question. As to how, maybe give a chemical birth control and then periodically test the blood for it. If not found, fine them or some such thing.

(The above is just an example which I in no way support).

"Government" isn't an answer. Who in the government? The FBI? A new BC Task force? Would someone physically go to their house, force them by gunpoint and perform a medical procedure on them or force drugs into them?

See, saying "the government" will do something isn't saying anything. Until and unless there were things in place that could do that it's all moot. And I can't imagine how anyone, even "the government" could do that.

I know it's just "what if" but I'm a detail minded person and it's hard for me to play

 

[cantata]

What a horrible idea.

No, Lawtonfogle, I would not support forced birth control or forced abortion.

 

[horuhe00]

Lets say a man and woman got married. Some time later (before they had any kids), it was found out they had the same recessive gene, and that their kids had a 25% chance of having major genetic defects. Should they be forced to use birth control and if they want kids, to adopt (and maybe artificial insemination from a male who doesn't have the recessive gene)?

For example, if two people had dwarfism, they'd have a 25% chance of having a normal child, a 50% chance of having a dwarf child, and a 25% chance of having a heavily mutated child with no chance of survival.

I think that, in our present times, no woman should have more than 2 births, healthy or not healthy. I even think that should be enforced by the government. There are many children in need of adoption right now. For a specific couple, I think it's their choice on what they decide to do. They are, however, knowingly playing russian roulette with their future and their child's future.

 

[lawtonfogle]

What a horrible idea.

No, Lawtonfogle, I would not support forced birth control or forced abortion.

You almost seem to think that I support it, I don't.

 

[cantata]

I think that, in our present times, no woman should have more than 2 births, healthy or not healthy. I even think that should be enforced by the government.

How?

 

[savvy]

In some countries financial incentives are offered. You get taxed if you have more children than the country's official policy. So if people had more than two a fine could be imposed on them. Sometimes money talks, right? Or if couples adopted or used in vitro instead maybe they could get some kind of incentive from the gov, like money for education or some such...

 

[cantata]

Sounds like a great way to end up with gender skewing and genetic screening, if you ask me. Also, what would be the supposed benefit of IVF over natural conception?

 

[Nirjuana]

Besides that the forced birth control would be morally wrong, it's also virtually impossible. With what money you could test everyone wanting a baby for a genetic diseases?

 

[lawtonfogle]

Sounds like a great way to end up with gender skewing and genetic screening, if you ask me. Also, what would be the supposed benefit of IVF over natural conception?

With genetic screening, there may be a benefit due to 'bad genes' which both parents have. Without looking at the genetics, I don't see one at all.

 

[lawtonfogle]

Besides that the forced birth control would be morally wrong, it's also virtually impossible. With what money you could test everyone wanting a baby for a genetic diseases?

Never talked about testing them. I was instead working off the basis it was already known (say the couple had a few miscarriages, and so they decided to see if something was wrong), and that once it was known, should the birth control be forced.

 

[cantata]

With genetic screening, there may be a benefit due to 'bad genes' which both parents have. Without looking at the genetics, I don't see one at all.

Mm, but if you're going to limit people's ability to have as many babies as they want, it's far more likely that they will want to choose gender, appearance, IQ... and I'm sure that all these things will eventually be possible.

 

[cantata]

Never talked about testing them. I was instead working off the basis it was already known (say the couple had a few miscarriages, and so they decided to see if something was wrong), and that once it was known, should the birth control be forced.

Ah, excellent - unfair discrimination based on past chance occurrences!