For us Fundys

[cubanito]

Some of us find the differences between Lutherans like yourselves and Presbys like myself to pale in comparison to those between the liberals in any denom and the conservatives.

Would you guys consider a sticky on this subforum as to what your "bottom line" beliefs re Scriptural authority ans the "hot" social issues of the day are?

That way an ignoramus like me can quickly lear how to fellowship without argumentation, and just more about y'all in general.

Maybe even links to whatever confessions your various alphabets (denoms) present themselves with.


JR

 

[ricg]

While I agree with the spirit of the project, such a sticky would probably just cause a fight about what should be on the list.

 

[cubanito]

Yeah, I know, same with us Presbys. It just seems so totally stupid, fighting over this or that tense on some 400 yo confession when most so-called Presbys preach the Bible is a bunch of mythology and ordain proud practicing lesbian pastors, with insurances to cover abortions.

I think we theologically conservatives need to refocus our priorities to deal with what the current dominant heresy of secular humanism is.

So so stupid, on all our parts...

JR

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Don't feel alone. Our Lutheran insurance called Thrivent funds abortions and as I said on another thread our LCMS says one things and then out of the other side of their mouth they say something else.

 

[Jim47]

Our Lutheran insurance called Thrivent funds abortions quote]



Are you sure about this. That is shameful.

 

[cubanito]

Well, only the libs (PC-USA) fund abortions. I'm in the PCA, which does not. The other major conservative denom is the OPC, which is so similar to the PCA it's ridiculous they remain apart.

If the LCMS is anti-abortion, yet their insurance funds it, you guys really do have a problem somewhere.

JR

 

[DaRev]

Don't feel alone. Our Lutheran insurance called Thrivent funds abortions and as I said on another thread our LCMS says one things and then out of the other side of their mouth they say something else.

If the LCMS is anti-abortion, yet their insurance funds it, you guys really do have a problem somewhere.

Thrivent isn't the insurance carrier for the LCMS. All LCMS church workers have their insurance through Concordia Plans, and they do NOT fund abortion on demand.

Also, Thrivent is not an LCMS organization. They are independant of any Lutheran church body.

 

[DaSeminarian]

Thrivent isn't the insurance carrier for the LCMS. All LCMS church workers have their insurance through Concordia Plans, and they do NOT fund abortion on demand.

Also, Thrivent is not an LCMS organization. They are independant of any Lutheran church body.

AMEN! Preach it DaRev.

Though I have a Life policy with Thrivent, I do not carry a health insurance product with them. When it was just AAL it could have been considered LCMS, but when it joined with Lutheran Brotherhood it became a heterodox Insurance agency.

 

[C.F.W. Walther]

Thrivent Financial for Lutheran (formerly AAL and Lutheran Brotherhood) has donated $5000 to the Democrat Governor's Association, supporting pro-abortion, pro-embryonic stem cell research, WEAC puppet Jim Doyle who is running for re-election in Wisconsin.

Since the 1998 Election Cycle, AAL / Thrivent PAC (FEC Committee ID #C00121319) has spent $318,407 on political activity.

Thrivent has given to Green's congressional campaign but has yet to give to his gubernatorial campaign, while they have given his pro-abortion pro-embryonic stem cell research opponent Jim Doyle $5000. They have also given to pro-life State Senator Glenn Grothman. But they've also given to Gwen Moore's (pro-choice democrat) congressional campaign. And to Jim Sensenbrenner (pro-life republican) and to U.S. Senator Arlen Specter (pro-abortion / ESCR republican). The question is, what is their agenda? What is their campaign contribution strategy? What is the criteria by which they decide who to give money to? On life issues, they seem to be all over the place.

 

[cubanito]

Well, but whatever Thrivent does, the LCMS isin't involved, which is good to hear.

Now if we can olnly get u Luthis to realize it's only a Spiritual Presence in the host, we might just find a place in Heaven for y'all...

OK PEOPLE, THAT WAS A JOKE!

JR

 

[Studeclunker]

AWRIGHT! Snowball fight! Oh, darn. They were just kidding.

You know, the break on the sacraments occured in the conferrence of Marbury. At the beginning of the conferrence, Luther is said to have pulled the velvet table cloth back and to have written, "This is my body given for you," and, "This is my blood shed for you..." Then he pulled the table cloth back over it, without any explanation. He is also credited with using the argument of, "For my flesh is meat...my blood is drink indeed." (anyone who knows the exact quote is welcome to correct me please). After a week, Luther came to the conclusion that they would all have to 'agree to disagree'. When he left he threw the table cloth back and told Zwinglii and the others, the truth was hidden from them.

This is the root of the break and it occured very early in the Reformation movement. Calvin wasn't even in the picture yet. His mentor Zwinglii (it's pronounced swingly I never could spell the man's name) was Swiss where Calvin was french, a Huguenot. By the way, Luthern Germany provided sanctuary to some of the Huguenots when they were driven out of France.

Sorry about running on so. :o I just love church history. I love ferreting out why we believe what we do.

 

[cubanito]

I can understand Luther's break w Zwingli, but why could he not come to accord w Calvin's "spiritual presence" idea?

 

[ricg]

I can understand Luther's break w Zwingli, but why could he not come to accord w Calvin's "spiritual presence" idea?

Don't know much about Calvin's idea, but my guess is it's because Jesus said, "This is my Body," not, "This is my spirit."

 

[Studeclunker]

Exactly, Ricg. That's the heart of the split. Zwinglii was the predecessor to the Huguenots, and thence Calvin (who was a Huguenot). If no agreement could be reached with Zwinglii, then his student wouldn't be any better. Why would Calvin embarrass his Mentor?

 

[jcj3803]

Sounds like Thrivent is giving to whoever they think will make business easier and / or more profitable. This is a time-honored American business tradition - buy lawmakers to fit your own agenda.

 

[TheCosmicGospel]

I can understand Luther's break w Zwingli, but why could he not come to accord w Calvin's "spiritual presence" idea?

The argument from Calvin is a fairly convoluted loop to loop exercise that forces attributes to Christ that limit Him from being physically everywhere. Wouldn't it be so much easier, as the disciples did, to just take Him at His Word? But then again, difference is between a lawyer and a monk. One accepts mysteries. Other thinks he has to explain everything God ever did til it makes sense. What a goober.

Such a stance made it hard for Calvin to accept the coming of Jesus into the room after His resurrection. He HAD to have used a KEY! Such is the failure of logic when approaching GOD.

Peace and Joy,
Cosmic

"We are here to serve God, not to solve God." - Cosmic