For those who left fundamentalism: I have some questions for you

[CEV]

In my threads "My faith is falling apart, I'm going into depression..." in other forums, I discussed how my faith was falling apart after realizing that Biblical fundamentalism--which I was raised on--is mostly a fallacy. Because fundamentalism is all I've known, I was unaware of the other beliefs that were out there--the other ways of looking at the Bible and God (and I still am very ignorant of these ways).

So now I am faced with a delimna. I have to disprove fundamentalism before I can move on. Most of all, I have to confront my pastor either by email or in person and challenge fundamentalism, and see what he has to say.

I just want to hear from those who have already done this--confronted their pastors/bishops/whatever about fundamentalism. When you challenged them on young earth creation, the flood, homosexuality, Biblical infallibiblity and inerrancy, inspiration meaning dictation, women in spiritual authority, ultra-conservatism, etc, (which is what I mean by fundamentalism) what did you do? You know what I mean. How did it go for you? What happened? How did you go about it? Did your pastor convert out of fundamentalism, or react in a different way?

 

[tigersnare]

I just want to hear from those who have already done this--confronted their pastors/bishops/whatever about fundamentalism. When you challenged them on young earth creation, the flood, homosexuality, Biblical infallibiblity and inerrancy, inspiration meaning dictation, women in spiritual authority, ultra-conservatism, etc, (which is what I mean by fundamentalism) what did you do? You know what I mean. How did it go for you? What happened? How did you go about it? Did your pastor convert out of fundamentalism, or react in a different way?

You might be looking in the wrong place if you want arguments AGAINST those things. Our theology hinges on Biblical Infallibility.

If you want to affirm these beliefs that you have or once held, this might be a good place to start.

 

[cygnusx1]

In my threads "My faith is falling apart, I'm going into depression..." in other forums, I discussed how my faith was falling apart after realizing that Biblical fundamentalism--which I was raised on--is mostly a fallacy. Because fundamentalism is all I've known, I was unaware of the other beliefs that were out there--the other ways of looking at the Bible and God (and I still am very ignorant of these ways).

So now I am faced with a delimna. I have to disprove fundamentalism before I can move on. Most of all, I have to confront my pastor either by email or in person and challenge fundamentalism, and see what he has to say.

I just want to hear from those who have already done this--confronted their pastors/bishops/whatever about fundamentalism. When you challenged them on young earth creation, the flood, homosexuality, Biblical infallibiblity and inerrancy, inspiration meaning dictation, women in spiritual authority, ultra-conservatism, etc, (which is what I mean by fundamentalism) what did you do? You know what I mean. How did it go for you? What happened? How did you go about it? Did your pastor convert out of fundamentalism, or react in a different way?

what is fundemental to the Christian faith is a healthy Fear of God , have you ditched that as well ?

 

[CEV]

Uh oh, wrong forum. But while I am here, what do you all think about Bible contradictions? You know they exist. How do you refute them?

 

[cygnusx1]

Uh oh, wrong forum. But while I am here, what do you all think about Bible contradictions? You know they exist. How do you refute them?

what contradictions ????

You do realise that we are told by God to study His word , and we should be like the Bereans.

If we study the Word of God clarity ensues..............if you want to see contadictions you will ..............same goes for those who want to see conspiracies everywhere.......you know " I think an alien shot JFK" etc ....

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Uh oh, wrong forum. But while I am here, what do you all think about Bible contradictions? You know they exist. How do you refute them?

depends on the verses, each supposed contradiction is embedded in a context and is part of a history of interpretation. all things considered there are only a few that i concentrate my efforts on as primary hermeneutical examples.

i have yet to see one that bothers my 'infallibility of Scripture' confession stand.

 

[Percheron]

Uh oh, wrong forum. But while I am here, what do you all think about Bible contradictions? You know they exist. How do you refute them?

I don't know they exist. Probably few (if any) of the posters on this specific forum believe they do either. I know there are sometimes apparent contradictions, but that's something else. God's Word is inerrant and infallible, IMO. I also feel your definition of "fundamentalism" is somewhat problematic, but I think I know what you're talking about more or less. Personally, I subscribe to all the points you listed except for Dictation and Young Earth Creation. Where does that leave me according to your paradigm?

 

[CEV]

What about II Kings 8:26 and II Chronicles 22:2? For those who believe the KJV is the perfect inerrant infallible dictated word of God...

 

[Bulldog]

What about II Kings 8:26 and II Chronicles 22:2? For those who believe the KJV is the perfect inerrant infallible dictated word of God...

Calvinists/Reformed are usually not KJV-onlyists.

 

[tigersnare]

You know they exist.

You wrongly assume here.

 

[CEV]

You wrongly assume here.

Please see my post with the two verses.

 

[tigersnare]

Please see my post with the two verses.

I have seen your post, not the point, the point is you can not correctly assume that we know contradictions exist.

 

[Radagast]

CEV, I think you started on the wrong foot in this forum. People here share some, but not all, of the opinions of the Baptist "fundamentalists" you grew up with.

In my (NIV) Bible, the 2 verses say:

2 Kings 8:26: Ahaziah was twenty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year. His mother's name was Athaliah, a granddaughter of Omri king of Israel.

2 Chronicles 22:2: Ahaziah was twenty-two {footnote: forty-two in the Hebrew} years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem one year. His mother's name was Athaliah, a granddaughter of Omri.

Hey, no contradiction! After all, this is straight Jewish history, and inconsistency is obviously due to copying error. The "twenty-two" is in some Septuagint and Syriac manuscripts, the "fourty-two" is from the 10th Century Masoretic Hebrew text.

The ESV and NASB have twenty-two without even a footnote. The KJV is obviously wrong here.

-- Radagast

 

[bygraceiamsaved]

If there are seemingly contradictions in scripture, it is not the scripture but the interpretation of the scripture that is the problem.

 

[Radagast]

I must say that, on the whole, I was a little disappointed by the SR response to a genuine question....

-- Radagast

 

[StAnselm]

Good point Radagast. After all, there's a huge difference between being fundamentalist and being Reformed...

 

[cajunhillbilly]

Good point Radagast. After all, there's a huge difference between being fundamentalist and being Reformed...

Even though many of the theologians involved in the fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were reformed in theology. Men like Machen, Warfield, etc. were involved in the original fundamentalist movement. Yet the fundamentalism of today is not in any way Reformed any more.

 

[StAnselm]

Men like Machen, Warfield, etc. were involved in the original fundamentalist movement. Yet the fundamentalism of today is not in any way Reformed any more

Actually, it never was. Machen always denied being a fundamentalist.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Actually, it never was. Machen always denied being a fundamentalist.

i need to study this time period for my class next summer, if anyone has a really good book to recommend on the topic of the rise of american fundamentalism and the role reformed and presbyterians played in it, i'd appreciate the title.

the class notes are at:
http://www.dakotacom.net/~rmwillia/history of american presbyterianism.html
my booklist on fundamentalism is at:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...V3Q/ref=cm_aya_av.lm_more/002-1096499-9282426

i'm particularly interested in anything on Warfield's role in the writing of the fundmentals, if anything.

 

[StAnselm]

Fundamentalism and American Culture, George Marsden. You might also want to take a look at his Understanding Fundamentalism and Evangelicalism but the first one in particular discusses Warfield...