For those who disagree with the Word of Faith Doctrine - civil explaination is asked

[Always in His Presence]

Ok, I'm making this attempt at some civil discourse.

Here is the Word of Faith Doctrinal stance as presented on this forum.

Section I: WE BELIEVE...

Concerning the Godhead, WE BELIEVE
We believe in the one, true God. Our God is manifested in three separate, distinct, eternal Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Spirit); these three are one (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6; 1 John 5:7). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word made flesh, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Ghost (Spirit) proceeds from the Father, is sent forth by the Son, and testifies of Him (Jesus) (John 14:16; John 15:26).
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Concerning the Scriptures, WE BELIEVE
All scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished, to every good work. The Holy Spirit moved on the prophets and apostles of old to pen the holy scriptures. We fully affirm that all scripture, comprised of the 66 Books of the Bible (no apocrypha) from Genesis to Revelation, is our final authority over all else for determining faith and practice, and do not accept man's opinion, denominational doctrines, or any other document as equal to or above in authority to the scriptures (2 Tim 3:16-17; 1 Thess 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21; Ps 138:2).
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Concerning Salvation, WE BELIEVE
We believe that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Rom 3:23). We believe that by grace we are saved through faith, salvation can not be obtained through works, and that Jesus is the only way to receive the gift of salvation (Eph 2:8; John 14:6; Acts 4:12).
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We believe that unless we are born again, we will not see the Kingdom of God, and while we were yet sinners, God demonstrated His Love for us by sending us His Son, Jesus to die for our sins (John 3:3; Rom 5:8).​

We believe that when we repent, confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, that we are now justified by his blood, and shall be saved from wrath through Him (Luke 13:5; Rom 10:9-13; Rom 5:9).​

We believe that Jesus' sacrifice for us is full and sufficient for our redemption and full restoration into right relationship with the Father, and when we have received the free gift of salvation, we become a new creature in Christ, old things are passed away and all things become new (Heb 7:27; Rom 3:21-22;2 Cor 5:17).​

The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ's return. As Christians, we believe if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (Heb 12:14; 1 Thess 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor 3:18; Phil 3:12-14; 1 Cor 1:30, 1 John 1:9).​

The angels said to Jesus' disciples, "...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven." His coming is imminent. When He comes, "...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..." Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years.(Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:16-17; Rev 5:10, 20:6).​

We believe that those that physically die without receiving Jesus Christ and His sacrifice have no further opportunity to hear the Gospel and repent. They are eternally lost in the lake of fire, which is literal, along with the devil, his demons, Hell and Death. (Matt 25:41, 46; Heb 9:27, Rev. 20:10-14, 21:6-8).​

Concerning the Holy Spirit, WE BELIEVE
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received separately from the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt 3:11; John 14:16-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38-39; Acts 19:1-7; Acts 2:1-4).
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We believe there are diversities of operations of the Spirit working in every member of the Body of Christ today for the common good. These operations are the work of one and the same Spirit dividing to every man severally as He will. (1 Cor 12:8-11).​

Concerning divine healing, WE BELIEVE
Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).
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Concerning water baptism, WE BELIEVE
We are directly commanded by our Lord to be baptized in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Baptism in water is by immersion. It is for believers only and does not save a person. Thus we do not believe that intercession on our behalf achieves either salvation or baptism, nor do we recognize infant baptism or baptism for the dead. This ordinance is a symbol of the Christian's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom 6:4; Rom 10:9-10; Luke 13:3; Col 2:12; Acts 8:36-39).
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[Always in His Presence]

Specific Word of Faith Beliefs

1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-26; Matt 8:8; Rom 10:8-10, 17; Rom 12:2; Prov 18:21; James 4:7)
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2. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isa 53:6; Ps 22:1; Matt 27:46; Rom 6:23; 2 Cor 5:21)​

He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Isa 53:10-11; Ps 16:10; Matt 12:38-40; Matt 27:46; Acts 2:27, 31; Eph 4:8-10; 1 John 4:10 )​

3. Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. (Rev 1:18; Matt 27:46; John 3:2-8; 1 Pet 1:23; Isa 53:9; Acts 2:24; Rom 6:9; Ps 22)​

Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. (Matt 26:28; 2 Cor 5:21; 1 Pet 2:9; Rev 1:5; John 1:29; Rev 7:14)​

4. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God, nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. (2 Tim 3:16; John 16:13; Ps 145:9; James 1:17; John 10:10; Matt 7:11)​

5. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Josh 1:8; Ps 35:27; Ps 103:3; Ps 122:7; Prov 10:22; Prov 28:20; John 10:10; Gal 3:13; 3 John 1:2)​

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom 10:10; 1 Cor 1:30; 2 Cor 5:17; 2 Cor 5:21; Phil 3:9)

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So here are 12 tenants that earmark the Word of Faith.

If you are really looking for intelligent discourse, please quote which one you do not agree with and the scriptural reasons why.

We're all mature adults, so let' leave ministers and personalities out of it and look solely at what the Word of God says.

Then at the bottom of your post, please list how many of the beliefs you ARE in agreement with.

I think you will find we agree consistently on 10 of 12.

 

[Always in His Presence]

The one that I hear the most is the Word of Faith stance on healing:

Concerning divine healing, WE BELIEVE
Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).

You will note some similarities here to other Pentecostal doctrines:

Assemblies of God

Divine Healing

Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the atonement, and is the privilege of all believers. (Isa. 53:4,5; Matt. 8:16,17; James 5:14-16)

• Video from former General Superintendent Thomas Trask (Video HI | Video LO | Audio Only)
• God cares about your physical well-being
• God cares about the sick and suffering (Article from Today's Pentecostal Evangel magazine).
• More on divine healing

The Foursquare Church

Divine Healing
We believe that divine healing is the power of Jesus Christ to heal the sick in answer to the prayer of faith; He, who does not change, is still willing and able to heal the body, as well as the soul and spirit in answer to faith (Mark 16: 17, 18; James 5:14-16).

I can show you six other mainline Pentecostal denominations with the same stance.

 

[jeolmstead]

Thanks B for sharing this.

It helps me to understand where you are coming from.

I know that you know there are points here on which I disagree but that is ok.

Could you clear up for me this term:

“provided for in the atonement”

In your opinion is that “included” as in PHIA, or provided as in “available”

John O.

 

[youthwalk]

I had intended to stay out of discussions like this because I think they are pointless and must make Satan very happy because they certainly are not glorifying God but I want to say something in regard to the title of this post.

I have no issue with what is written on paper, or is professed to be believed. My issue lies in the attitudes of the WoFers I have seen here. I too am one of those who has been hurt by the words coming from staunch WoFers defending their beliefs, especially in things concerning healing. I have PMs where I expressed those hurts and I made a thread about it (this was years ago but the Bible does say that there is NOTHING new under the sun) and I have gotten, not answers to what I asked but rather an expose explaining that we both believed the same things. But we couldn't because I was just berate for not being faithful enough or for lacking something.

I am deeply confused and disappointed by all that I have seen on these boards.

 

[Meshavrischika]

for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected,
this implies works to me, and even after salvation i don't believe works make righteous...but i'm not clear on what is specifically taught on this (the post didn't make this idea clear to me)

This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance
i don't think this is necessarily the only evidence and lack of it is not proof of or denial of baptism

whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass
only if it's the will of God that is spoken

 

[Always in His Presence]

Thanks B for sharing this.

It helps me to understand where you are coming from.

I know that you know there are points here on which I disagree but that is ok.

Could you clear up for me this term:

“provided for in the atonement”

In your opinion is that “included” as in PHIA, or provided as in “available”

John O.

With all due respect - I do value you and your posting very much.

What exactly is PHIA - in 25+ years as a minister in the Word of Faith movement, in my studies, both Bachelors and Masters work -I have NEVER, EVER heard of PHIA until I started posting here.

Can you please give me a definition of what PHIA is because it seems to mean different things to different people and I can not intelligently answer your question without knowing what you define PHIA to be.

As for the doctrinal stance - provided - to me, that means that provision was made. Past tense - something already done.

 

[Always in His Presence]

for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected,
this implies works to me, and even after salvation i don't believe works make righteous...but i'm not clear on what is specifically taught on this (the post didn't make this idea clear to me)

This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance
i don't think this is necessarily the only evidence and lack of it is not proof of or denial of baptism

whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass
only if it's the will of God that is spoken

Thank you! - can you please provide scriptures to back up your beliefs please?

And does that mean you agree on 11 of 12 doctrinal stances?

 

[Meshavrischika]

Thank you! - can you please provide scriptures to back up your beliefs please?

And does that mean you agree on 11 of 12 doctrinal stances?

don't know the exact scriptures...but basically it boils down to "all things are lawful but not beneficial" and that he'll write his law on our hearts (so learning it from the bible is not necessary to effect change - and change not from a heart perspective is works to me)

as for the baptism thing... i don't see that it's a required thing (even in scripture) as immediate evidence

and if He is in our hearts, His Will will be what we desire, and therefore those are the things we will want to receive... not "our stuff"

 

[Christina M]

All I know, Balance, is WOF must be right on the money because it sure gets everyone riled up.

 

[Meshavrischika]

All I know, Balance, is WOF must be right on the money because it sure gets everyone riled up.... satan wouldn't get so upset if it wasn't a truth he didn't want people to know about.


Satan wouldn't try so hard to kill the message (and the messengers) if it wasn't dangerous to him.

i agree in your statement of faith with this... but really, any denom can claim this as well. it is GREAT that you are strong in your faith though.

 

[Always in His Presence]

All I know, Balance, is WOF must be right on the money because it sure gets everyone riled up.... satan wouldn't get so upset if it wasn't a truth he didn't want people to know about.


Satan wouldn't try so hard to kill the message (and the messengers) if it wasn't dangerous to him.

I would respectfully ask you to not make provocative posts on this thread - it does not help.

I'm trying to open communications - not cast stones.

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

This is for my part.

We believe in the one, true God. Our God is manifested in three separate, distinct, eternal Persons - the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Spirit); these three are one (Deut. 6:4; Phil. 2:6; 1 John 5:7). God the Father is greater than all; the Sender of the Word (Logos) and the Begetter (John 14:28; John 16:28; John 1:14). The Son is the Word made flesh, the One Begotten, and has existed with the Father from the beginning (John 1:1; John 1:18; John 1:14). The Holy Ghost (Spirit) proceeds from the Father, is sent forth by the Son, and testifies of Him (Jesus) (John 14:16; John 15:26).

Yes.

All scripture is God-breathed, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction and for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfected, thoroughly furnished, to every good work. The Holy Spirit moved on the prophets and apostles of old to pen the holy scriptures. We fully affirm that all scripture, comprised of the 66 Books of the Bible (no apocrypha) from Genesis to Revelation, is our final authority over all else for determining faith and practice, and do not accept man's opinion, denominational doctrines, or any other document as equal to or above in authority to the scriptures (2 Tim 3:16-17; 1 Thess 2:13; 2 Peter 1:21; Ps 138:2).

Yes.

We believe that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. (Rom 3:23). We believe that by grace we are saved through faith, salvation can not be obtained through works, and that Jesus is the only way to receive the gift of salvation (Eph 2:8; John 14:6; Acts 4:12).

Yes.

We believe that unless we are born again, we will not see the Kingdom of God, and while we were yet sinners, God demonstrated His Love for us by sending us His Son, Jesus to die for our sins (John 3:3; Rom 5:8).

Yes.

We believe that when we repent, confess with our mouths that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, that we are now justified by his blood, and shall be saved from wrath through Him (Luke 13:5; Rom 10:9-13; Rom 5:9).

Yes.

We believe that Jesus' sacrifice for us is full and sufficient for our redemption and full restoration into right relationship with the Father, and when we have received the free gift of salvation, we become a new creature in Christ, old things are passed away and all things become new (Heb 7:27; Rom 3:21-22;2 Cor 5:17).

Yes.

The Bible teaches that without holiness no man can see the Lord. We believe in the Doctrine of Sanctification as a definite, yet progressive work of grace, commencing at the time of regeneration and continuing until the consummation of salvation at Christ's return. As Christians, we believe if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. (Heb 12:14; 1 Thess 5:23; 2 Peter 3:18; 2 Cor 3:18; Phil 3:12-14; 1 Cor 1:30, 1 John 1:9).

Yes.

The angels said to Jesus' disciples, "...This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen Him go into heaven." His coming is imminent. When He comes, "...The dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air..." Following the Tribulation, He shall return to earth as King of kings, and Lord of lords, and together with His saints, who shall be kings and priests, He shall reign a thousand years.(Acts 1:11; 1 Thess 4:16-17; Rev 5:10, 20:6).

Yes.

We believe that those that physically die without receiving Jesus Christ and His sacrifice have no further opportunity to hear the Gospel and repent. They are eternally lost in the lake of fire, which is literal, along with the devil, his demons, Hell and Death. (Matt 25:41, 46; Heb 9:27, Rev. 20:10-14, 21:6-8).

Yes.

The Baptism in the Holy Ghost and fire is a gift from God as promised by the Lord Jesus Christ to all believers in this dispensation and is received separately from the new birth. This experience is accompanied by the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as the Holy Spirit Himself gives utterance (Matt 3:11; John 14:16-17; Acts 1:8; Acts 2:38-39; Acts 19:1-7; Acts 2:1-4).

I disagree with the speaking in other tongues as evidence of a filling of the Holy Spirit. Not every believer will speak with tongues. There are differences of gifts given to the believers as the Holy Spirit wills.
1 Corinthians 12. Specifically verses 7-11 and 27-31.

We believe there are diversities of operations of the Spirit working in every member of the Body of Christ today for the common good. These operations are the work of one and the same Spirit dividing to every man severally as He will. (1 Cor 12:8-11).

I believe the proper context for that quoted passage refers to the gifts, ministries and activities, as is evidenced in verses 4-7. It isn't limited to just operations.

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).

This is one of the major points of contention that some believe to be a false teaching. Healing isn't received by faith, it is granted by God's Grace and by His Will. We don't know why some with great faith are never healed, and why those with little or even no faith are healed. All we know is that God has a perfect plan for our lives, and that we will ultimately be healed when we receive our new bodies.

We are directly commanded by our Lord to be baptized in the Name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Baptism in water is by immersion. It is for believers only and does not save a person. Thus we do not believe that intercession on our behalf achieves either salvation or baptism, nor do we recognize infant baptism or baptism for the dead. This ordinance is a symbol of the Christian's identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 28:19; Rom 6:4; Rom 10:9-10; Luke 13:3; Col 2:12; Acts 8:36-39).

Yes.

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1. We believe whatsoever a man says, not doubting in his heart, but believing that those things which he says shall come to pass, that he shall have whatsoever he says. We believe we therefore need the word of God to transform us by the renewing of our mind and speak those things in faith, that the Word of God says, in submission to God. (Mark 11:22-26; Matt 8:8; Rom 10:8-10, 17; Rom 12:2; Prov 18:21; James 4:7)

Another point of contention. We do need to renew our minds so we can live lives of holiness, devoted to the Lord. We do need to ask for things in faith, but we need to realize that God knows more than we do. His Will is perfect, and while we may not understand here on earth, God does know what is best. We trust Him in faith, fully relying on Him. It isn't about commanding God to do things, it is about going to Him, in humility, casting our cares on Him, and asking Him for what we need, leaving the cares in His hands.

2. When Jesus died on the cross, He was separated from God, for He cried "My God My God why have your forsaken me? " because he took our sins upon Himself. (Isa 53:6; Ps 22:1; Matt 27:46; Rom 6:23; 2 Cor 5:21)

Yes.

He was sinless, but being our substitute, He descended into hell, fully paying for our sins. (Isa 53:10-11; Ps 16:10; Matt 12:38-40; Matt 27:46; Acts 2:27, 31; Eph 4:8-10; 1 John 4:10 )

Yes.

3. Jesus died Spiritually, when the Spirit of God abandoned Him while Jesus was on the cross, causing Him to cry out "My God My God why have your forsaken me?" Jesus suffered Spiritual death so we could be made free from spiritual death by becoming born-again Christians. (Rev 1:18; Matt 27:46; John 3:2-8; 1 Pet 1:23; Isa 53:9; Acts 2:24; Rom 6:9; Ps 22)

Yes.

Jesus was the Lamb of God who took away the sin of the whole world. He was not conceived in sin, nor did He ever sin, but He was made sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. After dying Spiritually on the cross, Jesus was taken into Hell where the Father raised Him up, from death to life, to become the first born-again man ever, the first of a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people known as born-again Christians. (Matt 26:28; 2 Cor 5:21; 1 Pet 2:9; Rev 1:5; John 1:29; Rev 7:14)

Yes.

4. Every good thing comes from God and anything that kills steal, or destroys is not from God, nor is it His will. He gives abundant life. It is the Holy Spirit who guides us into all truth, and the scriptures that instructs us, not negative situations. (2 Tim 3:16; John 16:13; Ps 145:9; James 1:17; John 10:10; Matt 7:11)

5. Prosperity is for all believers, for the whole man, spirit, soul, and body.The Lord has pleasure in the prosperity of those who serve Him. (Josh 1:8; Ps 35:27; Ps 103:3; Ps 122:7; Prov 10:22; Prov 28:20; John 10:10; Gal 3:13; 3 John 1:2)

All good things do come from God. There is nothing evil in Him, and nothing evil comes from Him. This is often used to explain why we can be healed or prosperous, assuming that because sickness isn't from God, that God will automatically take it away. Sickness and death are products of our fallen states, bodies that will wear down and eventually die. The abundant life doesn't come from our health or material things, but comes from the peace an joy that God gives to us despite our circumstances.

6. We are new creatures made righteous with Christ's righteousness, and it is not of ourselves. We are not unworthy new creatures or sinners saved by grace. We were sinners but now we are saved by grace. (Rom 10:10; 1 Cor 1:30; 2 Cor 5:17; 2 Cor 5:21; Phil 3:9)

Yes.


Again, it all comes back to healing and prosperity, which is what all the arguments are over, and what many see as "false teachings."

Could Word of Faith be correct? It is possible. Could those opposed to Word of Faith be correct? Again, it is possible. The minute we realize that we have our own INTERPRETATION and may not be the absolute Truth, we will be able to reason with each other and learn from each other, without having to sacrifice what we believe.

 

[jeolmstead]

With all due respect - I do value you and your posting very much.

What exactly is PHIA - in 25+ years as a minister in the Word of Faith movement, in my studies, both Bachelors and Masters work -I have NEVER, EVER heard of PHIA until I started posting here.

Can you please give me a definition of what PHIA is because it seems to mean different things to different people and I can not intelligently answer your question without knowing what you define PHIA to be.

As for the doctrinal stance - provided - to me, that means that provision was made. Past tense - something already done.

As I understand PHIA (Physical healing is included in the atonement) means that physical healing is guaranteed or included through the work of the cross.

Jesus not only paid for my sin, he also paid for any sickness or infirmity I might have.

Proof text is the scripture from Isaiah “……by his stripes you were healed”

PHIA maintains that (In Christ) my sins were paid for by the cross. Sickness was paid for by the torture Jesus received and or the cross as well.

This is my understanding of the doctrine. It is not one that I adhere to. Someone please correct me if I left something out.

John O.

 

[Always in His Presence]

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Originally Posted by Balance
Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).

This is one of the major points of contention that some believe to be a false teaching. Healing isn't received by faith, it is granted by God's Grace and by His Will. We don't know why some with great faith are never healed, and why those with little or even no faith are healed. All we know is that God has a perfect plan for our lives, and that we will ultimately be healed when we receive our new bodies.

Then do you believe that the Assemblies of God, The church Foursquare, The Church of God and three other major denominations also teach falsehoods?

Understand this is a doctrinal statement of the major Charismatic Denominations and NOT a uniquely Word of Faith stance. It is universally taught in ORU, All the Assemblies Seminaries, Regents University.

 

[Meshavrischika]

not that the above is my conversation, but I think every religious body preaches some falsehoods (feel free to ignore me if you don't want my input on this)

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Balance
Healing is for the total person; body, soul, and spirit, and is wrought by the power of God. It is provided for in the atonement of Christ, and is the privilege of every member of the Body of Christ today who will receive by faith. (James 5:14-15; Mark 16:18; Isa 53:4-5; Matt 8:17; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 Cor 12:9; 1 Cor 11:24-30; Acts 19:11-12).

This is one of the major points of contention that some believe to be a false teaching. Healing isn't received by faith, it is granted by God's Grace and by His Will. We don't know why some with great faith are never healed, and why those with little or even no faith are healed. All we know is that God has a perfect plan for our lives, and that we will ultimately be healed when we receive our new bodies.



Then you believe that the Assemblies of God, The church Foursquare, The Church of God and three other major denominations also teach falsehoods.

Understand this is a major doctrinal statement of the major Charismatic Denominations and NOT a uniquely Word of Faith stance.

I said "some" believe. I know it isn't limited to WoF. I've known people at Calvary Chapel who thought that way. I had a friend told she was on anti-depressants because she didn't have enough faith. At my current church, I had a lady question me about my wife's salvation because of her constant sickness.

I don't agree with the teaching, as I've made clear many times. But I'm not going to label it false.

 

[JAS4Yeshua]

Let me reemphasize this point from my post.

Could Word of Faith be correct? It is possible. Could those opposed to Word of Faith be correct? Again, it is possible. The minute we realize that we have our own INTERPRETATION and may not be the absolute Truth, we will be able to reason with each other and learn from each other, without having to sacrifice what we believe.

 

[LeadWorship]

I guess I'm an 11/12 person too. I'm more WoF than not, but I feel I've expressed on several occasions (including the creation of this Wiki) that I don't believe Tongues to be the only initial evidence. I have no biblical backing to that, and there are more examples of tongues being a first sign in the Bible, yet it doesn't clearly state that. Without great discussion, that is all.

Nice post, btw, B! It's a nice easy going one.