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How a TV and car works can be demonstrated.he wants you to prove that is ALL there is to it. Kind of like you have to prove that your TV only works with hardware and electricity.
Can you prove there is not an immaterial "TV will" in there?
or that your car doesnt have feelings?
He thinks this is a completely legit argument to make.
Prove it.
My hands move in response to the electrical signals generated through my brain by my "will". Therefore my "will" did it.
show anything that can be created, made, done without the physical body/brain to do it. A thought requires the brain, a breath requires the body. Without the physical there is nothing. Oh, I know you desperately wish to believe in a "soul" that exists in some magic place separate from the physical. But it just isn't so. Magic things don't exist. They are created within our minds which are simply functions of our brains. I fully believe there are things we don't yet understand about how that brain works. That doesn't justify magic.Prove it.
Your "will" is just the word you use to describe that which you can't name in any other way. It's the amalgam of your brain and that which your brain and your experiences have created, your "self". This is an entirely physical phenomenon. It resides in your brain and your body. But it does not exist without your brain and body.My hands move in response to the electrical signals generated through my brain by my "will". Therefore my "will" did it.
]How a TV and car works can be demonstrated. [/B]
All he has to do is demonstrate the physical processes that generate the human "will".
If the human "will" is indeed physical then that shouldn't be too difficult. So far all I'm hearing are blind assumptions about the brain.
When animals are capable of creating nuclear weapons your point will have meaning. For now it doesnt.That's just a product of more complex thought processes. Animals are perfectly capable of having the will to kill, and the intelligence to create tools. Nuclear weapons are just an extension of this.
Im sure there are.You've no proof of this. When we resist the urge to find food or sex, different neurons fire. There are many evolutionary explanations for things such as altruism and self-control.
The same can be said of the human will being physical, there is no evidence for it being physical, just unsupported claims.But there's no evidence for it, and no need for it. You can assert there is some sort of nonphysical "will" all you want, but without evidence, it's just another Russell's Teapot.
My claim is in regard to how the mind works, not how the body works. There is more to the mind than just a physical brain. The human will is one example.Is there a non-physical "will" that governs urinary excretion? Or do the kidneys do it through natural processes?
Is there a non-physical "will" that governs the heart's pacemaker? Or does it operate due to physical laws?
There is no reason to believe that consciousness is any different than anything else our body does. There is a physical reason.
And this is a GOOD THING...because physical reasons can be altered with physical therapies. If the kidney had a "will" governing it, our diuretics wouldn't work. Understanding the natural way something works in the human body means that we can treat it when something goes wrong. You people who demand that we reserve a spot for the spiritual are getting in the way of tomorrow's therapies.
My claim is in regard to how the mind works, not how the body works. There is more to the mind than just a physical brain. The human will is one example.
Assuming the human will is physical, can you demonstrate the physical processes in the brain that produces the human will, or is this just a blind assumption?
When animals are capable of creating nuclear weapons your point will have meaning. For now it doesnt.
A nuclear weapon is simply an advanced tool. You couldn't make a nuclear weapon. That doesn't make you any less human.Im sure there are.
Neurons are always firing in the brain, and they sometimes fire in response to the human will, they do not cause the human will. The human will is in control of the human, not the neurons. We are driven by our will, not by our neurons, in the same way a car is driven by a person and not by gasoline.
You have no evidence for this, no matter what analogy you use. You're just making it up to fit in with a preconceived notion of the nonphysical "will".
The same can be said of the human will being physical, there is no evidence for it being physical, just unsupported claims.
There's the fact that hunger, thirst, the desire to stop pain all come from neurons firing in your brain. Why would any other urge or impulse be any different?
Explain talent and difference of personality. Why are we here? Survival is your purpose in life?
My claim is in regard to how the mind works, not how the body works. There is more to the mind than just a physical brain. The human will is one example.
Assuming the human will is physical, can you demonstrate the physical processes in the brain that produces the human will, or is this just a blind assumption on your part?
Why not do some research yourself. It's only a google away you know.
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Prove it.
My hands move in response to the electrical signals generated through my brain by my "will". Therefore my "will" did it.
Explain talent and difference of personality. Why are we here? Survival is your purpose in life?
you know, we offered to discuss some things earlier, why dont you deal with those instead of bringing up new stuff?
Even reptiles have individual personalities. Everyone has seen talent differences in dogs.
Do you think all animals will be exactly the same? What is to "explain"?
You are making the mistake of using logic as a guide in seeking an answer that is based on faith! It is like asking: "How do you go from liking a woman to actually loving her".I find it weird you won't give me a straight answer
I don't mind you explaining things to me at all. In fact I enjoy reading it. The problem is you usually want me to admit to being wrong and you being correct.
I don't believe you are fully correct, just like you with me.
Show anything that can be created, made, done without the nonphysical will to do it.show anything that can be created, made, done without the physical body/brain to do it.
The human will has to do with our desires and the choices we freely make to fulfill those desires, whether to go left or right. When the choice is made in the mind in accordance with our will the brain responds to our will by driving the body in the direction we have chosen, whether left or right.Your "will" is just the word you use to describe that which you can't name in any other way. It's the amalgam of your brain and that which your brain and your experiences have created, your "self".
Then prove it, dont just claim it.This is an entirely physical phenomenon.
The manufacturers do.Nobody understands everything about how a TV works.
The Manufacturer does.Nobody knows everything about how a brain works either.
Only of its false.Statements of fact not in evidence get into the thin ice of false witnessing, dont you think?
At least you are willing to admit the possibility of something nonphysical. Not many others do.There could be something nonphysical but in the total complete and utter lack of the slightest scrap of evidence, it remains only a possibility that could possibly be demonstrated as fact.
Do I?But you say its a fact..dont you?
I suppose you would like me to deny God being a true fact too, right? Sorry.What is it that makes you comfortable stating as true facts that are not in evidence? Seriously, is there anything in your sense of ethics, morality, t-ruthfulness or your religion that argues against doing that?
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