for TE's historicity of OT people

[gluadys]

But the serpent at Eden could be a special kind of serpent which became extinct in a couple years.
It was only used by God to enable the Devil to tempt Adam and Eve.

Then it was a miracle, not an consequence of evolution. Or, as is most likely, it is a mythical creature.

What about Balaam's talking donkey?

Or maybe it evolved later into a dinossaur.
That´s why in Revelation it says that the dragon was the ancient serpent.
I even heard dinossaurs came from reptiles.
Interestingly,dragons on Bible don´t spew fire(rather impossible) but water.
So it can be a sea dinossaur.

Already covered by Mallon.

It is possible to loose talk abilities after some time isn´t it?

Not easily. The continued use of the ability would tend to preserve it.

The philosophy of the post is that evolution contradict the bible ONLY if you consider a timeline of milions of years instead of hundreds and if you consider some order in events based only on this timeline.

The evidence of past evolution is intertwined with the evidence of the age of the earth, and also sets the order in which species appeared. Its a package deal. You have to take all or none.

You can call me a YETE(Young Earth theistic evolutionist).
I don´t know if I am the first one.

You may be an evolutionist of some kind, but if you don't accept the scientific description of evolution, you are not a theistic evolutionist. Accepting factual observations of nature and the best scientific theories about the evidence is part of what it means to be a TE.

Genesis 30:34-43 is about natural selection.
Jacob´s animals adapt to the change in nature .
They looked at what Jacob did.
Light(radiation) entering on their eyes influence their genes and they breed mutated animals.
So there is adaptation to ambiental conditions which were changed here.

Evolution doesn't work that way. Genetic changes are not made because animals look at people or at light.

 

[relspace]

Ancient history is no more tangible than the future. Most people even edit their own memories of their personal past. But truth be told, what we remember, the stories we tell ourself have more reality and truth to them than "what really happened". Likewise stories and myths are the memories of the human race and they are more important to who and what we are than any actual events. History does not consist of actual event but stories.

I voted that every single one of these Biblical persons are in fact an historical person. There is no reason to believe that they did not exist and the fact that we remember the stories of them makes them important to us. To throw them out makes no more sense than trying to erase our own memories just because we think they might not be 100% accurate (which they are not). These persons and their stories are a part of who we are and dismissing them unreal is an act of self destruction.

 

[Tevol]

An interesting question.

Lets suppose some animals of a specie A evolve to another B1 and this one to C1 and so on.
Finding fossils of A and C1 one deduce there is a missing link and tries to find it.
Or if one finds fossils of A and B1 one stablish an immediate link.
But suppose there is another branch of A which results on a specie B2.
And this specie becames extinct before it can evolve.
Since there is no specie C2,evolutionists can´t say B2 can´t exist.
It can not rely on any kind of fact.
Only on scientifical deduction.
So evolution (except the time thingy) is based on fact but it can´t prevent us from sugesting add ons.
So,if the serpent is A and the "talking serpent" is B2 then you can´t say it´s mithology since no fossil of it was found.
I think there is the possibility that two different animals
evolve to the same one.Why not?
In this case,both the crocodile and the serpent can probably evolve into a dinossaur.
If evolution works in one direction to generate diversity why not the opposite?
I am sure the second principle of thermodynamics is not enough to contradict this theory.

 

[chaoschristian]

'scientifical'?

 

[relspace]

I think there is the possibility that two different animals
evolve to the same one.Why not?

Sure it is possible. It is just more likely for two completely different people to coincidentally write identical books of poetry.

 

[Ave Maria]

They were all historical persons in my book. Unfortunately I forgot to click the option on Abram. :o