for husbands and wives, headship?

[Blessed75]

Did I just post 8 times in a row? lol.......sorry bout that...........

 

[katelyn]

Is this still going on? Is a 22 year old still trying to argue what dozens of Bible scholars have already researched and agreed upon?...

It seems like you are trying to make it sound like no one respected in the Christian community would have the same opinion as Dave. That is a very incorrect assumption, as there are plenty out there who DO believe that the headship of the husband is God's design for marriage. Just because some agree with you doesn't mean that there aren't others who agree with headship.

How about organizations like Focus on the Family and FamilyLife? I'm sure the list could go on, but you get my point.

 

[SirKenin]

It seems like you are trying to make it sound like no one respected in the Christian community would have the same opinion as Dave. That is a very incorrect assumption, as there are plenty out there who DO believe that the headship of the husband is God's design for marriage. Just because some agree with you doesn't mean that there aren't others who agree with headship.

How about organizations like Focus on the Family and FamilyLife? I'm sure the list could go on, but you get my point.

Oh, I have no doubt that people agree with him. It's the source of many a fight and marital breakdown. I've seen it enough to know. I wasn't born yesterday

You have provided two links to extreme right-wing conservative organisations that gave you HALF a picture. This is the problem I think that has occured in this thread. The verses were taken BRUTALLY out of context, as is often the case, and one half was focused on... The baton swinging half.

The truth is, there's a whole other half to the equation... What Focus on the Family provided (and I didn't even bother with the other one, to be honest), was tell you that something equals x. They went into a great deal of detail defining "x", but forgot to tell you what the "something" is.

Therein lies the problem.

It is really easy to pull up articles that put the whole thing in context so you can see the big picture.. The problem is that I'm feeling kind of lazy right now, and 15 pages into this debate it seems kind of pointless. I already explained it in detail in another thread. Maybe it would be worthwhile to check it out

 

[katelyn]

I already explained it in detail in another thread. Maybe it would be worthwhile to check it out

I already read it, right after you posted it. What you posted didn't disagree with my beliefs about headship for the most part. I agree with all you said about submission being voluntary, viewing the context of the verses, etc., etc. But it didn't seem like you touched on the actual "headship" verses at all, other to describe what "head" means (which I agree with), but you gave no further explanation as to how this affects the marriage relationship. So I still maintain my position that headship is part of God's design for marriage.

The verses were taken BRUTALLY out of context, as is often the case, and one half was focused on... The baton swinging half.

Baton swinging? Are you STILL stuck on that analogy from another thread? I thought it would be evident by now that baton wielding, swinging, or whatever other negative connotation you want to put with it was not the point. It has been stated time and again by those "for" headship that submission is not something the man can force. It even says that on one of those "extreme right-wing conservative" sites.

It is really easy to pull up articles that put the whole thing in context so you can see the big picture.. The problem is that I'm feeling kind of lazy right now, and 15 pages into this debate it seems kind of pointless.

If you're not interested in debating about it, then I would have to ask what the point of you coming into the conversation and making negative comments about those who believe in headship is.

 

[E-beth]

Well well well....what a nice flame fest we have here. Wait a minute...I didn't know this was a debate forum...hmmm..

Well as this topic has turned ugly and I am frankly tired of getting reports, I am closing it temporarily at least. We mods have to come to some decisions about things.