• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Foot Washing

RandyPNW

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2021
3,517
795
Pacific NW, USA
✟164,739.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I never quoted "me" I did not give or write God's commandments, God did.
I didn't say you quoted yourself. You are a "man" who is speaking on behalf of what you *believe* God is saying *today.* Nobody is disputing whether God gave commandments under the Law. What is being disputed is whether those commandments are still good for today. And it is *your human opinion* that OT laws are still good for today.

If you cannot understand what I'm saying, we cannot discuss this further.
 
Upvote 0

SabbathBlessings

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 12, 2020
13,418
5,515
USA
✟706,311.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
I didn't say you quoted yourself. You are a "man" who is speaking on behalf of what you *believe* God is saying *today.* Nobody is disputing whether God gave commandments under the Law. What is being disputed is whether those commandments are still good for today. And it is *your human opinion* that OT laws are still good for today.

If you cannot understand what I'm saying, we cannot discuss this further.
I understand what you are saying, but there is no scripture that says the 10 commandments are "for old testament only". Like there will ever be a time we can worship other gods, or commit murder, or break the least of these commandments, at least this is what Jesus taught. Mat 5:19 Hence why they are all over the NT why Jesus taught and lived them and told us to.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and we will all find out soon enough.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

RandyPNW

Well-Known Member
Jun 8, 2021
3,517
795
Pacific NW, USA
✟164,739.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Republican
I understand what you are saying, but there is no scripture that says the 10 commandments are "for old testament only". Like there will ever be a time we can worship other gods, or commit murder, or break the least of these commandments, at least this is what Jesus taught. Mat 5:19 Hence why they are all over the NT why Jesus taught and lived them and told us to.

Guess we will have to agree to disagree and we will all find out soon enough.
Thank you. I do appreciate your understanding and explanation. Yes, there are questions as to whether the "10 Commandments" belong under the Law. I'll give you that. And the Sabbath Law was included among the 10. And I acknowledge that.

So yes, we'll just have to try to disagree agreeably. You see my point, and I see yours. God bless.
 
Upvote 0

SabbathBlessings

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Jun 12, 2020
13,418
5,515
USA
✟706,311.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
SDA
Marital Status
Married
Thank you. I do appreciate your understanding and explanation. Yes, there are questions as to whether the "10 Commandments" belong under the Law. I'll give you that. And the Sabbath Law was included among the 10. And I acknowledge that.

So yes, we'll just have to try to disagree agreeably. You see my point, and I see yours. God bless.
God bless!
 
Upvote 0

ViaCrucis

Confessional Lutheran
Oct 2, 2011
39,566
29,106
Pacific Northwest
✟814,309.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Lutheran
Marital Status
In Relationship
Politics
US-Others
Jesus washed the apostles' feet and some people take that as a signal that they too ought to wash the feet of their fellow believers when celebrating the Lord's supper.

I know this is a practice in some more recent Protestant traditions. But am unfamiliar with it as a traditional practice.

What Jesus intended by washing His disciples' feet was to establish the precedent of service; the Master bent down and cleaned the feet of the servants. There are many meanings here, for example Jesus explains how He makes all His followers clean; but it also demonstrates authority-by-servanthood. And the way in which all believers are to act toward one another, we do not demand service, we give service.

It can look like literally washing someone's feet--but it can also look like sitting with someone struggling with trauma and listening to them, putting the needs of others ahead of ourselves, as we minister to others with love and mercy. It can look like a lot of things, but at its core it is always the heart of service emulating the Lord of lords who got down on the ground taking on the role of a slave.

"Having this same disposition in you that was in Christ Jesus. Who though being God by nature did not regard equality with God something to exploit, but rather emptied Himself, taking on the form of a slave, born in human likeness"

-CryptoLutheran
 
Upvote 0

The Liturgist

Traditional Liturgical Christian
Site Supporter
Nov 26, 2019
15,631
8,242
50
The Wild West
✟764,623.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Generic Orthodox Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
I know this is a practice in some more recent Protestant traditions. But am unfamiliar with it as a traditional practice.

The Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox do it, to a limited extent, on Maundy Thursday, and it used to be de rigeur in the West, with royalty washing the feet of commoners, and later giving them coins in lieu of washing their feet, which is still done in the UK to this day.

It is normal for the foot washing to be the washing by one in a position of leadership of those in a position of lesser or no authority. In the Syriac Orthodox Church (and I believe in the Armenian and Coptic churches), the bishop will wash the feet of the boys who serve as Psaltis in the altar, who are the junior-most clergy, having not yet earned the stole of a reader, and having no authority; therefore it is meet that their feet should be washed by the bishop, who has the most authority, yet who is normally elderly and who can only bend down to wash their feet with great personal discomfort and difficulty in most cases.

I prefer this to the Eastern Orthodox liturgical practice, which is also beautiful, but not to the same extent, where presbyters will wash each others’ feet in a mutual manner if there is a concelebration on Holy Thursday. I regard the liturgy of the Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox as equivalent in beauty overall; in some cases, I think some of the churches or one particular church does a particularly good job at something or has preserved something that has fallen out of use in some or all of the others (such as the Presanctified Liturgy, which used to be celebrated in all ancient churches, but has been disappearing from various rites, or the Cathedral Office, which was replaced entirely by the Monastic Office in all churches except the Assyrian Church of the East and to a lesser extent the Roman Catholic Church, and which was partially preserved in the Coptic Orthodox Church in the form of the Morning and Evening Raising of Incense (the Coptic Orthodox Divine Office or Liturgy of the Hours is derived from three quite different sources, so in addition to the aforementioned, there are also the Hours of the Agpeya, which is the recitation of most of the Psalter throughout the day, and the Psalmody, which is basically a combination of Vespers, the Midnight Office and Matins, but its division into three units spread out across evening, midnight and the early morning before dawn mirrors the Midnight Office being divided into three watches as in other liturgies. Another example would be the service of Holy Unction, where the Byzantine and Coptic Orthodox, who use basically the same liturgy, have the most beautiful service for the anointing of the sick and the fasting with oil, consisting of seven sets of prayers and Scripture lessons during which the oil is consecrated (and pre-consecrated oil is available for use throughout the year, although the Eastern Orthodox prefer to celebrate the liturgy of the consecration, with seven priests if possible, or six priests and a bishop, in the house of a sick person or in the church if the sick person can get there, which I like).

However, it is not a tradition in any ancient church for all of the laity to wash each other’s feet every time they participate in Holy Communion. The coupling of the two events liturgically by the Adventists is something I strongly disagree with, because the washing of feet was a different event which happened shortly before the Last Supper but was not part of the same thing, and which also occurred in the same time that St. Mary of Bethany washed the feet of Christ our True God with perfumes from an alabaster box, to the ire of Judas Iscariot, and another woman, probably St. Mary Magdalene, washed His feet in her tears.

So there was a great deal of foot washing going on, and it was an important and loving act, but we are not required to do it insofar as it is not an ordinance, but it is a nice touch for Holy Week and does have a long history of being done in the Anglican and pre-Anglican British Catholic tradition and in the Eastern and Oriental churches (I think the Assyrian Church of the East does it also, but am not sure; I will ask my friend).
 
  • Like
Reactions: ViaCrucis
Upvote 0

Xeno.of.athens

I will give you the keys of the Kingdom of heaven.
May 18, 2022
7,435
2,363
Perth
✟202,028.00
Country
Australia
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Single
Foot washing is something SDA people do. They base it on what Jesus said.
So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you? “You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. “If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. “For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you. “Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. “If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them. “I do not speak about all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.’ “From now on I am telling you before it occurs, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He. “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives anyone I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”​
(John 13:12-20 LSB)
 
  • Like
Reactions: The Liturgist
Upvote 0

The Liturgist

Traditional Liturgical Christian
Site Supporter
Nov 26, 2019
15,631
8,242
50
The Wild West
✟764,623.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Generic Orthodox Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
Foot washing is something SDA people do. They base it on what Jesus said.
So when He had washed their feet, and taken His garments and reclined at the table again, He said to them, “Do you know what I have done to you? “You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. “If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another’s feet. “For I gave you an example that you also should do as I did to you. “Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him. “If you know these things, you are blessed if you do them. “I do not speak about all of you. I know the ones I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, ‘HE WHO EATS MY BREAD HAS LIFTED UP HIS HEEL AGAINST ME.’ “From now on I am telling you before it occurs, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He. “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who receives anyone I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.”​
(John 13:12-20 LSB)

Indeed, but other traditional churches in the East, and historically the West, also did this, and continue to do so, specifically on Maundy Thursday (the name of which is actually an allusion to footwashing, vis a vis the Latin word “mandamus” with a meaning like “Mandate”, which is satisfied in England by the monarch giving out special commemorative coins in lieu of washing the feet of the poor.
 
Upvote 0

Dan Perez

Well-Known Member
Dec 13, 2018
4,297
363
88
Arcadia
✟256,028.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Some denominations practice ceremonial foot washing. An observation I made in a visit to a Greek Island in the 1960s was that the transport of goods was all done by donkey. Especially when one wears sandals, one becomes acutely aware of donkey manure. Combined with infrequent rainfall, this can become a significant problem. One might expect this ubiquitous problem to be mentioned in the bible simply as a necessary facet of daily life.
And I did attend a assembly at a very young age and b they washed their feet at least once a month .

Ex 20:20-21 , only the Priests washed their feet and hands before they went to minister and if they did not WASH , God kille

them !!

And the 12 apostles will be kings and priests in the MILLENNIAL KINGDOM , Rev 1:6 .

Here is a good one , why was Jesus water baptized ??

dan p
 
Upvote 0

The Liturgist

Traditional Liturgical Christian
Site Supporter
Nov 26, 2019
15,631
8,242
50
The Wild West
✟764,623.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Generic Orthodox Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
Here is a good one , where was Jesus water baptized ??

Its described in detail the three Synoptic gospels (those according to Matthew the Holy Apostle and the Holy Evangelists Mark and Luke) and mentioned in the Gospel according to St. John the Beloved Disciple. Frankly I’m suprised you’d ask the question, and am perplexed as to why.

But I shall tag my friends @Ain't Zwinglian and @MarkRohfrietsch and @prodromos whose piety and knowledge exceeds my own in the event there should prove to be an unanticipated lack of concord on this issue.
 
Upvote 0

The Liturgist

Traditional Liturgical Christian
Site Supporter
Nov 26, 2019
15,631
8,242
50
The Wild West
✟764,623.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Generic Orthodox Christian
Marital Status
Celibate
I know this is a practice in some more recent Protestant traditions. But am unfamiliar with it as a traditional practice.

What Jesus intended by washing His disciples' feet was to establish the precedent of service; the Master bent down and cleaned the feet of the servants. There are many meanings here, for example Jesus explains how He makes all His followers clean; but it also demonstrates authority-by-servanthood. And the way in which all believers are to act toward one another, we do not demand service, we give service.

It can look like literally washing someone's feet--but it can also look like sitting with someone struggling with trauma and listening to them, putting the needs of others ahead of ourselves, as we minister to others with love and mercy. It can look like a lot of things, but at its core it is always the heart of service emulating the Lord of lords who got down on the ground taking on the role of a slave.

"Having this same disposition in you that was in Christ Jesus. Who though being God by nature did not regard equality with God something to exploit, but rather emptied Himself, taking on the form of a slave, born in human likeness"

-CryptoLutheran

Very nice post. And is correct to assert that foot washing even in the Orthodox and Assyrian churches which retained is done for the reasons you say (this is why for example in the Syriac Orthodox Church, the bishop, who is referred to with the title Mor, which can be translated as Lord or Master, washes the feet of the boys serving as Psaltis and in the altar (who are the same group, tonsured at about the same age, usually between 7 and 9 years of age, and perform the same duties up to and including reading one of the Scripture lessons, but never the Gospel, which is read by a presbyter or perhaps a deacon although I don’t even recall seeing a full deacon read the Gospel - in the Syriac Orthodox Church in the Diocese of the Western US their deacons do less than in some other liturgical churches and wear less vibrant vestments than, for example, Eastern Orthodox or traditional Western deacons, but akin to the stole over an alb one sees in the RCC in the Novus Ordo Missae.
 
Upvote 0

JulieB67

Well-Known Member
Apr 21, 2020
2,106
906
57
Ohio US
✟207,835.00
Country
United States
Gender
Female
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
Foot washing, however, wasn't even a matter of law. It just showed how low we mst be willing to go to help others, to put their needs ahead of our own, even at the expense of our so-called dignity. Foot washing was a cultural thing locked up in a particular time period. It need not be observed in our day of shoes and socks, in my opinion.
Exactly. It's not the foot washing itself but the willingness to put others ahead of our own needs. (loving our neighbor as ourselves etc) People washed their feet constantly back then was because they were simply dirty from traveling with bare feet or sandals. Naturally they were covered in dirt. But Christ and others used it as a teachable moment.
But we can do many things for our neighbor today that don't include foot washing. Most would have other needs in this day and age as you stated with us having shoes and socks.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: RandyPNW
Upvote 0