FOOD

[William1]

Foundthelight;

I am sorry, I can not help you

William

 

[ElElohe]

Two things. One, Jesus fulfilled the law, he didn't eradicate it. In our day we oft look at levitical law and think "God just did that to test their obediance." Bologna. Those laws still hold water, they have physical ramifications.

For instance, the Jews in Europe were not nearly so bothered by the bubonic plague because they bathed, part of levetical law. The Law says to not boil a young goat in it's mother's milk. Until recently I thought this ludicrous, but then learned that calcium prevents the absorbtion of iron. And finally, my ma-in-law (a well-versed nurse) is conviced that my wife's cold sores (a dormant form of herpes) she got from eating pork. And my wife still notices a foul reaction to the meat, whether she gets a cold sore or rash after eating it.

Two, heh heh heh!

PORK IS BAD. GOD SAYS SO. LEVITICUS 11:7

 

[adam332]

Found the light,
you said;
"This vision does, indeed, work at two levels. First, that gentiles can receive grace just as the Jew. Second, that God has declared all the animals shown to now be clean."

Says who? Peter didn't say it and neither did God. God has used some pretty crazy stuff to get His point across, that does not mean we are to take it literal. Do you believe that trees talk? Or that Christ was giving farming lessons when he spoke of the wheat and the tares. Even in His dream, did Peter eat? NO! Peter did not see it as having anything whatsoever to do with food, but you have chose to.

Look, I think Pork and shellfish are as tasty as any of you...and my flesh misses it greatly at times. If I thought in the slightest, that there was truly a scriptural justification for eating it...I would be first in line. But, sadly I can't find it and I am not going to try to twist God's vision to Peter in order to eat some bacon. Since all things are now clean according to your private interpretation of that vision then you must think that God now endorses cannibalism. Try eating a diet of human flesh and turds and use those same verses to to explain it to your congregation. Paul says that we are not under the law, but does that mean we should sin? Pauls say "God forbid".

We no longer carry the burden of trying to satisfy the law because we have been blessed by the Lord who enables us. It is through His strength alone that the law can be satisfied. Trying to do it ourselves is relying on OUR works for salvation...such things are dead works because they are not performed out of love, but instead out of obligation. That is the curse, because if you want to try BY YOURSELF to keep the law....you better keep them all. And since we do not have such power because we all fall short of perfection we must rely on him who was perfect to do it for us...thus the curse will be lifted. It is not a ceremonial law...it is not a Jewish law....it is God's law.

To hear you tell the story one could determine that we can murder, steal, use the Lord's name in vain, be involved with witchcraft and become cannibals, because if we stopped ourselves thru the power of Christ we would be cursed. The lessons of the law and how they are to be applied must all be put together harmoniously. Do not try and take a little here or a little there and use it as some stand alone doctrine to justify sin.

 

[Foundthelight]

Found the light,
you said;
"This vision does, indeed, work at two levels. First, that gentiles can receive grace just as the Jew. Second, that God has declared all the animals shown to now be clean."

Says who? Peter didn't say it and neither did God. God has used some pretty crazy stuff to get His point across, that does not mean we are to take it literal. Do you believe that trees talk? Or that Christ was giving farming lessons when he spoke of the wheat and the tares. Even in His dream, did Peter eat? NO! Peter did not see it as having anything whatsoever to do with food, but you have chose to.

Look, I think Pork and shellfish are as tasty as any of you...and my flesh misses it greatly at times. If I thought in the slightest, that there was truly a scriptural justification for eating it...I would be first in line. But, sadly I can't find it and I am not going to try to twist God's vision to Peter in order to eat some bacon. Since all things are now clean according to your private interpretation of that vision then you must think that God now endorses cannibalism. Try eating a diet of human flesh and turds and use those same verses to to explain it to your congregation. Paul says that we are not under the law, but does that mean we should sin? Pauls say "God forbid".

We no longer carry the burden of trying to satisfy the law because we have been blessed by the Lord who enables us. It is through His strength alone that the law can be satisfied. Trying to do it ourselves is relying on OUR works for salvation...such things are dead works because they are not performed out of love, but instead out of obligation. That is the curse, because if you want to try BY YOURSELF to keep the law....you better keep them all. And since we do not have such power because we all fall short of perfection we must rely on him who was perfect to do it for us...thus the curse will be lifted. It is not a ceremonial law...it is not a Jewish law....it is God's law.

To hear you tell the story one could determine that we can murder, steal, use the Lord's name in vain, be involved with witchcraft and become cannibals, because if we stopped ourselves thru the power of Christ we would be cursed. The lessons of the law and how they are to be applied must all be put together harmoniously. Do not try and take a little here or a little there and use it as some stand alone doctrine to justify sin.

Where on Earth do you draw these parallels from what I have said?

Again I say that God will not say something false. If he chose to make his point to Peter by saying that these things are now clean then they are clean. If you choose to interpret this passage to reinforce Jewish dietary law you are wrong.

You make it sound as though I alone have interpreted this dream this way. In actuality, it has been interpreted this way since the earliest days of the church.

You are welcome to continue as you are.

 

[BeanMak]

Since all things are now clean according to your private interpretation of that vision then you must think that God now endorses cannibalism. Try eating a diet of human flesh and turds and use those same verses to to explain it to your congregation

Cannibalism can't be permissible because we are told in the new testement to love our neighbors as our self, ie- no killing. Also, we are to abstain from blood. Don't twist what we are saying. We aren't indorsing sin.

 

[adam332]

Beanmak,
You can eat other meat while abstaining from blood...what makes you think you couldn't human meat while abstaining from blood. And you don't have to kill someone in order to use that meat, so dig in next time someone slips and breaks their neck in the shower.

Found the light,
you said;
"Again I say that God will not say something false."

It is not false if he is using something fictionary to teach a spiritual lesson.

Do you really believe there is some literal harlot riding on some multi horned beast that is standing on water?

In Jdg. 9:7-15, Jotham spoke in a parable that was completely imaginary, about talking trees and brambles.

You are 100% incorrect if you think every spiritual lesson, parable and prophecy is literally possible or to be taken as such. The Bible is slap full of completely made up concepts to express truth in a way in which we could understand. what in the world were you thinking when you said that? Might as well throw most of revelation in the trash then and all it's fantastic symbolism! Your claims hold no value...they are a private interpretation if the Bible already interprets it and mentions nothing whatsoever of your interpretation. it matters not how many before you made the same mistake or for how long. It only shows that you have followed the path of their error.

And once again, unclean meats PREDATE JEWS! It is not a Jewish law! How many animals did Noah take of each kind on the ark? Was Noah a Jew? Get it yet?

 

[William1]

Adam;

It isn’t our job to convince, relax, man. There are those who’s eyes have been blinded, and even if they witnessed a miracle, they would discount it. Our words are registered.

When God closes eyes, I have yet to hear of Him opening them after wards, so save your breath. Let the sinner go on sinning, what is that to you and me? Our task is to walk faithfully (obey the Commands) and to spread the good news, which is, if sinners want life, tell them that all they have to do is fear God, obey His commands, and spread the good news themselves, unadulterated.

In His Sanction
William

 

[Mirror]

and thats all she wrote folks. thank you and good night ladies and gentalmen!!!

 

[snoopyloopysk8a]

PORK IS BAD. GOD SAYS SO. LEVITICUS 11:7

So is shrimp, catfish, rabbit, horse, any carion bird, etc.

 

[adam332]

Yes, they are all bad and now they must go to their room. Bad, bad piggy.

 

[christianbeginning]

adam332 & Willaim 1 - I must say you two are totally off base. Throughout the Bible God instructs allegorically; and throughout the text it is clear that things ought to be taken out of the immediate context of a story and the underlying principles applied to the greater world.

BeanMak is right on target with his interpretations and has not taken anything out of context incorrectly - he has correctly used what the Bible teaches with simple stories, and then projects the underlying principles to the real issues at hand.

Anyway, historically, the prohibition of certain animals as food had a practical basis (if you have ever lived on a farm, you would understand this).

Facts:
1) Pigs physically have unclean habits - they like to role around in their own excrement.

2) Pigs consume considerable amounts of water.
because of fact 1 & 2

It was forbidden to keep pigs for food because the costs were prohibitively high - the currency in this case being clean water.

So, they could have decided:

1) To keep pigs a food BUT HAVE dirty water (which is not fit to drink and spreads disease).
Or
2) Not keep pigs for food AND HAVE clean water.

Having clean water won out.

Note also that the prohibition against pigs was not true outside traditionally Semitic lands. Arabs have a similar prohibition against pork.

 

[adam332]

CB,
you are wrong.

You cannot take whatever you want and apply it however you feel. Context is relevant. One could construe that murder is alright if they were to take something out of context. You cannot give your own additional application to a vision when we have already been given one. You cannot apply symbolic spiritual lessons to something physical and expect it to be true.

If Christ indicates that the dirt going into his disciples mouth is less defiling than the man-made doctrines and accusations coming out of the mouth of the Pharisees...you cannot extract a verse from that converstaion and say that unclean meats are now ok to eat. They had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with that conversation and were never mentioned in the slightest...by either parties.

The only reason God chose to use unclean meats in that vision to Peter when he was giving him a spiritual lesson that God was "no respector of persons"...is because the Jews thought that non-Jews were unclean and defiling to them. They considered them to be dogs. God had not told them to stop association with others...matter of fact they had be commisioned by God to bring outsiders into his flock. yet, they had become so high-minded of themselves thinking they were some chosen bloodline, so God used something truly unclean to enlighten what he had been telling them for thousands of years...that he was no respector of persons.

 

[Rafael]

Then why does pork chop gravy taste soooo good?

 

[adam332]

There are many things that our flesh desires that are not Biblically correct to partake in. I'm sure orgies are very pleasureable to it's participants...that doesn't mean we should join in.

 

[Sharky]

If pork is bad to you then that's alright. We're not forcing anything on you. I eat pork and I personally don't mind.

 

[William1]

Sharky Sharky, I would be a little more careful with that bite of yours, in the end, in will kill you! I am sure you don’t mind that bite of pork, but someone is watching and the cameras are rolling, you will have to give an account for every bite you took. Matters not to me, I won’t pay your debt.

ps, this is all just a test.


William

 

[Sharky]

"I know and am convinced (persuaded) as one in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is pforbidden as[ essentially unclean (defiled and unholy in itself), But [none the less] it is unclean (defiled and unholy) to anyone who thinks it is unclean."
ROM 14:14

Oh btw i'm not trying to convince anyone about whether eating pork is bad or not. Actually, it was better that i didn't say that before.
Sorry if i offended anyone

 

[Mirror]

as Jesus said " he that takes from the word or adds from he shall i also take and add"