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"YA novels are ages 12–18, and tackle more mature and adult themes and content."So what age group is the target audience for the kind of act depicted on page I mentioned?
Right, that’s what we fight about all of the time! “What’s going on in the schools!?”I never said anything like that. There's a difference between advocating that everybody be treated equally, and not discriminated against, and advocating for any and all content in schools.
We're talking about a public school. The public has every right to object to content they deem obscene or inappropriate.
It was clearly present at some of the schools, otherwise there wouldn't have been a reason for some schools to remove it.Are you implying queer fiction is a 'staple' at schools? Is it on any of the lessons reading lists? I bet t he teachers notes are fun.
How old are the kids that go to that school?It was clearly present at some of the schools, otherwise there wouldn't have been a reason for some schools to remove it.
This is prudishness. America being terrified that might be taught about sex (gay or straight) instead of how to shoot guns is (to the rest of the world) baffling.
Is giving knowledge about a penis or vagina so terrible? Is it worse than teaching them how to effectively use a gun? Something at a person that will kill them? That's the crazy thing about America: terrified about people having sex the 'wrong' way but fine flooding their society with easy ways to kill people.
smh
BTW: I'm a little drunk as i write this so forgive my overdramatising.
someone responded "Why are you so afraid of a piece of metal?" and "What are you so scared of the concept of someone defending themselves?"... it would be pretty apparent that the person was dodging your concerns by way of appealing to abstracts with the aims of making you seem like the one being unreasonable for having concerns.
Right, that’s what we fight about all of the time! “What’s going on in the schools!?”
That’s as American as it gets. If we wen’t fighting about the schools we might as well pack it in.
This is “normal”.
As I said, it's not prudishness.
Even in other places that aren't gun-friendly, there would still be some objections to this type of content.
And I'm sure those other places would likely make a distinction between "talking about anatomy"/"mentioning/teaching about sex" vs. "underage people in a tent playing a game where they all have to do something into a bottle, and the person who finishes the deed last has to drink it"
As I said before, I wouldn't have any objections to the former.
There's a contrast between "mentioning sex"/"depicting anatomy for education purposes", and content that borders on bizarre fetish material.
This is where one side of the debate is losing some voters (who would otherwise be anti-censorship) by failing to set an objective standard, and by appealing to abstracts rather than acknowledge the specific content.
When the response to this is either "what's so bad about sex, why are you afraid of body parts?" or "what really is 'bizarre' anyway?", it comes off as being extremely disingenuous.
To use a hypothetical example (since you used a comparison to guns),
Say you were bringing up concerns about the proliferation of guns and the potential issues with them.
If someone responded "Why are you so afraid of a piece of metal?" and "What are you so scared of the concept of someone defending themselves?"... it would be pretty apparent that the person was dodging your concerns by way of appealing to abstracts with the aims of making you seem like the one being unreasonable for having concerns.
I love your well thought out and balanced approach. In a society that has this strong of divide we MUST learn to compromise on things. Otherwise what Florida is doing becomes inevitable.
Guns kill people. Graphic novels don't. How can you compare excuses for the astonishing prevalence of guns in America with a graphic novel?If someone responded "Why are you so afraid of a piece of metal?" and "What are you so scared of the concept of someone defending themselves?"... it would be pretty apparent that the person was dodging your concerns by way of appealing to abstracts with the aims of making you seem like the one being unreasonable for having concerns.
My understanding is the freedom of expression is something of a thing in America.And if there was no intent to have more content like that, then why the backlash over the proposed restriction to prevent it from being added to certain school libraries?
Like any other right, it's not unlimited.My understanding is the freedom of expression is something of a thing in America.
People have different viewpoints on what's considered harmful.Guns kill people. Graphic novels don't. How can you compare excuses for the astonishing prevalence of guns in America with a graphic novel?
Guns kill people. Graphic novels don't. How can you compare excuses for the astonishing prevalence of guns in America with a graphic novel?
Guns kill people. Graphic novels don't. How can you compare excuses for the astonishing prevalence of guns in America with a graphic novel?
But, as I say, you raise a good point. If we take a breath, and put down our placards, and talk about what values are genuinely important to us, versus what's just a reaction to the meanies on the other side, maybe something constructive can result.
I believe it was not my post that was quick to attack the messenger.So now you've moved on to attacking the source instead of addressing the content. I suspect any specific example (like redlining, or studies showing a "black" name on one of two copies of the same resume will get rejected) as "propaganda".
So evidence is a blog and a letter to the editor?Can you provide a thoughtful and intelligent critique of examples of systemic racism?
Feel free to rebut any of these examples:
5 Examples of Systemic Racism in the USA
There's only 5. I can find more if you like.
If you are more of the buffet type, take a stab at any of these:
64 Examples of Systemic Racism Against Black Americans — Curious Refuge
It is, a bit. But I honestly think it’s somewhat valid here. No kid has died from going to one of of these shows, yet this is where the attention is.Isn't this just whataboutism?
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