flood of anti-Mormon sentiment

[SiSSYGAL]

When first introduced to Mormonism, I went on-line to read about their doctrine. It was shocking to see so much anti-Mormonism. For my own edification, I keyed in the name of my own church just as a comparison.
Few sites popped up. The official site I believe, was blunt with information stating their official views on a variety of subjects, controversial and broadly accepted. When I went to the Mormon official site, I was amazed by the gloss of it all. The pages about doctrine mentioned some things, but then asked the reader a question! If you didn't have an answer or wanted more info, you were directed to leave info so that a missionary could contact you.
I now consider myself anti-Mormon. My point is that I have so few options.
It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.
For myself, Mormons and Mormonism put a non-Mormon off by their elitism.
It comes from their original premise believing theirs is the only true church.
Protestants believe theirs is the only true religion. The church has little to do with anything--primarily because the Holy Spirit dwells within and each of us are responsible directly to God--without the church's intercession--although prayer is always welcome. Any comments?

 

[fatboys]

When first introduced to Mormonism, I went on-line to read about their doctrine. It was shocking to see so much anti-Mormonism. For my own edification, I keyed in the name of my own church just as a comparison.
Few sites popped up. The official site I believe, was blunt with information stating their official views on a variety of subjects, controversial and broadly accepted. When I went to the Mormon official site, I was amazed by the gloss of it all. The pages about doctrine mentioned some things, but then asked the reader a question! If you didn't have an answer or wanted more info, you were directed to leave info so that a missionary could contact you.
I now consider myself anti-Mormon. My point is that I have so few options.
It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.
For myself, Mormons and Mormonism put a non-Mormon off by their elitism.
It comes from their original premise believing theirs is the only true church.
Protestants believe theirs is the only true religion. The church has little to do with anything--primarily because the Holy Spirit dwells within and each of us are responsible directly to God--without the church's intercession--although prayer is always welcome. Any comments?

FB: Sissy, if lived at the time of Christ, and there were internet websites at that time, do you think there would be anti Jesus websites? I know this is a silly comparison, but think about it. Most of the Jewish leaders rejected the teachings of Christ. Christ came to fulfill the very law they lived by tradition for thousands of years. Their teaching of the Messiah that would come to save them did not save them the way they had practiced and believed. The Messiah was at their door, and they turned him away.

Now for our elitism. Do you think that it is elitism that we do not attack others beliefs? You did not find many of the teachings on the website because people who are investigating the church, just as Paul taught his new members need milk before the meat. You are only going to find the basics, and that is really all your ready to learn about the church. Coming here and listening to the rants of those who really are anti is not a good place to start. But being anti only means that you are actively opposed to the teachings, and you actively preach against its teachings. Just learning about it does not put you in the anti side. You still can disagree, but if you preach against it, then you are opposing our beliefs. That makes you anti. I am not anti your religion because I don't preach against it. In fact I am glad you have faith in Christ. If you are put off, it could be because of the circumstances you are in. You are not happy with the LDS that your son joined. Keep learning. Be patient. You have just started.

 

[TOmNossor]

When first introduced to Mormonism, I went on-line to read about their doctrine. It was shocking to see so much anti-Mormonism. For my own edification, I keyed in the name of my own church just as a comparison.
Few sites popped up. The official site I believe, was blunt with information stating their official views on a variety of subjects, controversial and broadly accepted. When I went to the Mormon official site, I was amazed by the gloss of it all. The pages about doctrine mentioned some things, but then asked the reader a question! If you didn't have an answer or wanted more info, you were directed to leave info so that a missionary could contact you.
I now consider myself anti-Mormon. My point is that I have so few options.
It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.
For myself, Mormons and Mormonism put a non-Mormon off by their elitism.
It comes from their original premise believing theirs is the only true church.
Protestants believe theirs is the only true religion. The church has little to do with anything--primarily because the Holy Spirit dwells within and each of us are responsible directly to God--without the church's intercession--although prayer is always welcome. Any comments?

SiSSYGAL,



I think you are quite mistaken when you suggest you must be an anti-Mormon.

I do not consider myself an anti-anything.

Also, you are also falling for a common anti-Mormon argument when you say that the CoJCoLDS is anti-Christian or anti-nonMormons. This is just not true.



Here is an excellent article for you to read if you want to know.



http://www.mormonfortress.com/ga.html



I am pro-God, pro-Christ, and pro-Mormon.



Also I follow the prophet Joseph Smith when he said,

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Section Six 1843–44, p.313:

If I esteem mankind to be in error, shall I bear them down? No. I will lift them up, and in their own way too, if I cannot persuade them my way is better; and I will not seek to compel any man to believe as I do, only by the force of reasoning, for truth will cut its own way. Do you believe in Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which he revealed? So do I. Christians should cease wrangling and contending with each other, and cultivate the principles of union and friendship in their midst; and they will do it before the millennium can be ushered in and Christ takes possession of His kingdom.



Charity, TOm

 

[skylark1]

It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.

Hi Sissygal,

I think that there is more than two choices. One can disagree with Mormonism without being an "anti-Mormon." I think that there is a fear that if we admit there is anything to admire about a religion that we do not believe is true, then it will be thought of as condoning their beliefs.

 

[SiSSYGAL]

The specific elitist aspect of the Morman format is that it is so club-like. You get your initial indoctrination, your initiation and then you're in. I've just shown up in the pew at the local ward a couple of times to everyone's surprise. Even though they gushed over me, I had a sense I wasn't that welcome. I had a sense I showed up at a Kiwanis meeting and sat down and joined them for lunch. They all looked at me like who are you and don't you realize this is a private meeting? The other day, I was clearing documents off my computer. I came across the speech that my son's soon-to-be mother-in-law made when her son was endowed before going on his mission. Apparently, everyone was invited to the endowment and she was thanking those who showed up. However, her speech was embarassing for its arrogance and elitism to my way of thinking. She pointedly noted that there were some that would have liked to have come, but couldn't implying some failure on their part--I really read what wasn't printed there and the message came through to me. And she sincerely hoped that they would be able to join them next time.-- This was delivered to the whole ward, so it wasn't pertinent to those who sadly had made a prior commitment. It was a clear pointed finger to the majority in the whole room who didn't show up. Anyway, if she read what the letter said, I am embarassed for her. Perhaps some sense came to her and the speech was modified before delivery. In your quote above p 313.
you refer to Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which He revealed. I actually thought the LDS doctrine of salvation was something out of that Pearl of Great Price book and involved celestial levels and plural wives in heaven, etc. I really didn't know you embrace salvation as Jesus Christ spelled it out to his apostles. Expound on this, would you?

 

[happyinhisgrace]

When first introduced to Mormonism, I went on-line to read about their doctrine. It was shocking to see so much anti-Mormonism. For my own edification, I keyed in the name of my own church just as a comparison.
Few sites popped up. The official site I believe, was blunt with information stating their official views on a variety of subjects, controversial and broadly accepted. When I went to the Mormon official site, I was amazed by the gloss of it all. The pages about doctrine mentioned some things, but then asked the reader a question! If you didn't have an answer or wanted more info, you were directed to leave info so that a missionary could contact you.
I now consider myself anti-Mormon. My point is that I have so few options.
It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.
For myself, Mormons and Mormonism put a non-Mormon off by their elitism.
It comes from their original premise believing theirs is the only true church.
Protestants believe theirs is the only true religion. The church has little to do with anything--primarily because the Holy Spirit dwells within and each of us are responsible directly to God--without the church's intercession--although prayer is always welcome. Any comments?

Yup, you got it!

God Bless,
Grace

 

[gort]

Hello,

If you would like other points of view from other Mormons, you can visit this site to see that us anti-mormons spread spiritual pornography amongst other details I refuse to type.

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/circleofsisters/031229testimony.html

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[Wrigley]

Hello,

If you would like other points of view from other Mormons, you can visit this site to see that us anti-mormons spread spiritual pornography amongst other details I refuse to type.

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/circleofsisters/031229testimony.html

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That was interesting.

I'm kind of surprised they use open forums to talk amongst themselves. Its amazing what you read. Much more honest talk.

 

[TOmNossor]

The specific elitist aspect of the Morman format is that it is so club-like. You get your initial indoctrination, your initiation and then you're in. I've just shown up in the pew at the local ward a couple of times to everyone's surprise. Even though they gushed over me, I had a sense I wasn't that welcome. I had a sense I showed up at a Kiwanis meeting and sat down and joined them for lunch. They all looked at me like who are you and don't you realize this is a private meeting? The other day, I was clearing documents off my computer. I came across the speech that my son's soon-to-be mother-in-law made when her son was endowed before going on his mission. Apparently, everyone was invited to the endowment and she was thanking those who showed up. However, her speech was embarassing for its arrogance and elitism to my way of thinking. She pointedly noted that there were some that would have liked to have come, but couldn't implying some failure on their part--I really read what wasn't printed there and the message came through to me. And she sincerely hoped that they would be able to join them next time.-- This was delivered to the whole ward, so it wasn't pertinent to those who sadly had made a prior commitment. It was a clear pointed finger to the majority in the whole room who didn't show up. Anyway, if she read what the letter said, I am embarassed for her. Perhaps some sense came to her and the speech was modified before delivery. In your quote above p 313.
you refer to Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which He revealed. I actually thought the LDS doctrine of salvation was something out of that Pearl of Great Price book and involved celestial levels and plural wives in heaven, etc. I really didn't know you embrace salvation as Jesus Christ spelled it out to his apostles. Expound on this, would you?

SiSSYGAL:

The specific elitist aspect of the Morman format is that it is so club-like. You get your initial indoctrination, your initiation and then you're in. I've just shown up in the pew at the local ward a couple of times to everyone's surprise. Even though they gushed over me, I had a sense I wasn't that welcome. I had a sense I showed up at a Kiwanis meeting and sat down and joined them for lunch. They all looked at me like who are you and don't you realize this is a private meeting?



TOm:

I hope what you experience is not the “gaze of the untrusting or threatened.” I believe that “gaze” may exist in some wards. I hope and rather expect that the majority of what you get is the noticing of one who does not regularly attend. I live in a large ward. I know most by name, and likely all by face. When I see someone new, I try to go and “gush” over them. The “gaze” I give hopefully would not put off, because it would not be long and lingering, but it is a product of newness not distrust.



SiSSYGAL:

The other day, I was clearing documents off my computer. I came across the speech that my son's soon-to-be mother-in-law made when her son was endowed before going on his mission. Apparently, everyone was invited to the endowment and she was thanking those who showed up. However, her speech was embarassing for its arrogance and elitism to my way of thinking. She pointedly noted that there were some that would have liked to have come, but couldn't implying some failure on their part--I really read what wasn't printed there and the message came through to me. And she sincerely hoped that they would be able to join them next time.-- This was delivered to the whole ward, so it wasn't pertinent to those who sadly had made a prior commitment. It was a clear pointed finger to the majority in the whole room who didn't show up. Anyway, if she read what the letter said, I am embarassed for her. Perhaps some sense came to her and the speech was modified before delivery.



TOm:

About 4-5 months ago I attended a TempleWedding. No such speech was given, but in honesty there was one person who made an observation about those in and outside of the ceremony. She was corrected mildly and recognized the inappropriateness of her comment. I do not think the sentiment you mention is near universal. I think when it exists it is very seldom verbalized. But unfortunately I will not tell you that it does not exist in a few on occasion. LDS who cultivate an elitism do not understand how to be “meek and lowly” while being “bold and courageous.”

I am sure I frequently fail too. As I have unconsciously followed the 3 rules of Bishop Stendahl, I have found that I do not have a monopoly on truth. This has been a wonderful blessing for me, but I do not think it has made me significantly less “bold and courageous” (not that I do not have a long way to go on that anyway).

My quest to understand the beliefs of others has left me believing in miracles in all faiths. I realized that while I know personally the miracles in my life are real, I present them identically to some of those I see presented by others. I do not want to be the person who rejects miracles.



SiSSYGAL:

In your quote above p 313.
you refer to Jesus Christ and the Gospel of salvation which He revealed. I actually thought the LDS doctrine of salvation was something out of that Pearl of Great Price book and involved celestial levels and plural wives in heaven, etc. I really didn't know you embrace salvation as Jesus Christ spelled it out to his apostles. Expound on this, would you?



TOm:

Of course the quote was from Joseph Smith.

I have said many times that we read the Bible, we study the Bible, we believe the Bible, and we love the Bible. The points of contact where we see the same things in the Bible as non-LDS Christians are far greater than the differences. This forum is all about differences. I would even say this forum is all about protecting the uninformed for the evils of the CoJCoLDS (I cannot say that much of this forum is about saving the LDS, because though I have invited all to raise the level of discussion to that which is real, few have heeded the call). Peculiar things are magnified and similarities are downplayed.



The FIRST principle of the Gospel is faith in Jesus Christ. All eternal blessings are build upon this faith. Like Catholics, LDS believe that true Faith is the gateway. After we invite Christ into our lives, we will walk with Him. As He lifts us up with each step, we will also be uniting with Him. And through Him and our uniting with Him, we can return to our Father in Heaven. So, I could say that we are saved by faith alone in that we will enter a kingdom of heavenly glory if we but believe and then refuse to walk with Christ, but this would not be the fullness nor what our Heavenly Father desires for us (nor true faith even as most Protestants define faith). I could draw a long list of parallel if you liked, but let me briefly touch on your specific comments.



The Pearl of Great Price is part of our scriptures. It contains a number of non-connected books. I do not think it has much too do with celestial levels and plural wives in heaven; the book that has to do with this is the Doctrine and Covenants which is also scripture. It is true that it is LDS doctrine that there are three divisions in heaven. The highest is Celestial. The lower are wonderful beyond comprehension, but involve a certain separation from God. Immediately following death, LDS believe that we all go to a place to experience something quite similar to non-LDS Christian Heaven and Hell. Only like the Purgatory of Catholics the Hell is a temporary place of purging (the Heaven is also a temporary place of continued growth, but with little or no harsh purging). When the resurrections occurs all in both these places will choose (an appropriate term as I understand it, but we do not know exactly how this will work) which of the three kingdoms of glory they will spend an eternity in. In some way, which again we do not understand, the eternal residence will be wholly and completely predicated upon our time on the earth. Those who received the sure witness of the Holy Ghost and rebelled openly and consciously against God will reside in a place called Outer Darkness. This is an unpleasant non-existence.



The CoJCoLDS practice polygamy for a little over half a century. It is doctrinal that those who are sealed to more than one wife will hopefully continue to be sealed in the celestial kingdom. It is not LDS doctrine that there will be more righteous woman than men and after death we will create a bunch of “pairing” such that all will be polygamous after death.



Charity, TOm

 

[ChristFollowers]

When first introduced to Mormonism, I went on-line to read about their doctrine. It was shocking to see so much anti-Mormonism. For my own edification, I keyed in the name of my own church just as a comparison.
Few sites popped up. The official site I believe, was blunt with information stating their official views on a variety of subjects, controversial and broadly accepted. When I went to the Mormon official site, I was amazed by the gloss of it all. The pages about doctrine mentioned some things, but then asked the reader a question! If you didn't have an answer or wanted more info, you were directed to leave info so that a missionary could contact you.
I now consider myself anti-Mormon. My point is that I have so few options.
It seems you're either inside the church or "Anti" One is not allowed to marginally embrace Mormonism or admit they have some good ideas.
For myself, Mormons and Mormonism put a non-Mormon off by their elitism.
It comes from their original premise believing theirs is the only true church.
Protestants believe theirs is the only true religion. The church has little to do with anything--primarily because the Holy Spirit dwells within and each of us are responsible directly to God--without the church's intercession--although prayer is always welcome. Any comments?

Mormons believe they are the only correct Church....Protestants believe they are the only correct religion. Muslims, Jews, etc all believe the same thing. Have you also noticed something else? Christians claim they are the only correct religion and church. They believe if you are not a Christian....straight to hell you go.

Do you have a problem with Christianity also? Or is it just Mormons that don't have a right to think their Church is the correct one. Because Christians think this also.

 

[happyinhisgrace]

That was interesting.

I'm kind of surprised they use open forums to talk amongst themselves. Its amazing what you read. Much more honest talk.

I just went to the site and read also. Very interesting indeed. One thing that really jumped out to me was how fragile they view their "testimonies" in the "one true church". As if the slightest "anti-mormon" information would completely distroy those fragile testimonies. Much different than the testimonies of Jesus that are founded on the Rock himself and not nearly as easy to "break".

Grace

 

[He put me back together]

Simply put, to believe one set of things is to believe that any set of beliefs contrary to them are wrong. This is involved within the very definition of believing something--if one believes that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and that what he said was true, then one MUST believe that all those who say that he was not are wrong in that respect.

So, if we're going to call a person "antimormon" because he refutes the claims that the mormons hold to, we should also call the Church of Christ "antibaptist" and "antipentecostal." We must call protestants "anticatholic," as well as vice-versa, and oneness anti-trinitarian as well as trinitarians anti-oneness. All those who aren't sabitarians would be called anti-sabitarian; all those who are sabitarian would be called anti-firstDayWorshippers. This kindof makes things sound a little more combative than they really are I say just state what you think, and leave all this anti demi semi and hitite stuff to the scriptures, as well as who is going to hell and who is not.

As far as a particular group being elitist or whatnot, I find that MOST groups of anything have self-proclaimed elitists among them, mormons being no different. But the missionaries that *I* had encountered were pretty nice guys. Now, like many missionaries from many religions, I think their arguments were incredibly flawed, but they were rather gentle and well-mannered. They emphasized a person's feelings far too greatly, responding to what I thought was fair, balanced, and unbiased criticism with "yes, but what did you feeeeel when you read the book of Mormon?" This, however, says nothing about the justice of their manner. One cannot judge the group by individuals, but the missionaries I got were nice fellows.

 

[Kevin Graham]

== I just went to the site and read also. Very interesting indeed. One thing that really jumped out to me was how fragile they view their "testimonies" in the "one true church". As if the slightest "anti-mormon" information would completely distroy those fragile testimonies. Much different than the testimonies of Jesus that are founded on the Rock himself and not nearly as easy to "break".

This is an intersting comment since I was thinking along similar lines about this forum. I mean just look at the rules. Non-Christian "cults" are confined to their own designated corner on the board. The "True Christians" can roam wherever they want. Why is this so? Because they want to be able to evangelize their own faith without allowing others to do the same. I can't think of one LDS forum - and there are many - that would dare segregate the rooms up according to denomination.

It seems to me the Evangelicals have far more to fear than any Mormon I've ever met. I fail to see how the mere distaste for anti-Mormon propaganda automatically means one has a "fragile" testimony. I can handle whatever anti-mromonism you trhow at me, but even I can get bored with it after awhile. Especially when it is obvious that the person dishing it out is simply cutting and pasting from some anti-Mormon website, without one iota of background knoweldge. In other words, they haven't the educational background to cause me to be concerned about their opinion to begin with.

Anti-Mormons love to offer the shotgun approach. Offering dozens of tiny comments that each deserve long explanations. But I don't consider all non-LDS critics anti-Mormon. I'm friends with quite a few, and I think Mormons could do a better job by not jumping to conclusions and creating false caricatures.

== We must call protestants "anticatholic,"

They are. Their claim to fame which justifies their existence is based on the assumption that the Historic Christian faith, which is basically Catholicism, had went astray a few hundred years ago. I know many Evangelicals today who think Catholics and Mormons are in the same boat because we both believe works are necessary for salvation.

== As far as a particular group being elitist or whatnot, I find that MOST groups of anything have self-proclaimed elitists among them, mormons being no different.

Too true. But I would argue that the Evangelical faction that concerns itself with the counter-cult industry, is much worse. According to them, everyone outside their circle is in for an eternity of firey torment. So they automatically look at all outsiders with a tremendous amount of contempt. This is evident enough from my first day on the forum, just browsing through past comments.

== But the missionaries that *I* had encountered were pretty nice guys.

Most are, but admittedly, some are just plain idiots.

== Now, like many missionaries from many religions, I think their arguments were incredibly flawed

Admittedly, some are. I experienced thsi phenomenon many times on my mission. A primary reason for this is that most of them are just young kids. Which automatically means they are cocky in what they think they know.

== They emphasized a person's feelings far too greatly, responding to what I thought was fair, balanced, and unbiased criticism with "yes, but what did you feeeeel when you read the book of Mormon?" This, however, says nothing about the justice of their manner. One cannot judge the group by individuals, but the missionaries I got were nice fellows.

They represent the majority I would say.

 

[skylark1]

== We must call protestants "anticatholic,"

They are. Their claim to fame which justifies their existence is based on the assumption that the Historic Christian faith, which is basically Catholicism, had went astray a few hundred years ago. I know many Evangelicals today who think Catholics and Mormons are in the same boat because we both believe works are necessary for salvation.

Oh please! I do not think that not agreeing with Catholicism makes one an anti-Catholic. If I was in agreement with them, then I would be a Catholic. Nor does not agreeing with Mormonsim make me an anti-Mormon. By your reasoning, LDS would be anti-Catholic and anti-Protestant.

I say just state what you think, and leave all this anti demi semi and hitite stuff to the scriptures, as well as who is going to hell and who is not.

I agree.

 

[Svt4Him]

FB: Sissy, if lived at the time of Christ, and there were internet websites at that time, do you think there would be anti Jesus websites? I know this is a silly comparison, but think about it. Most of the Jewish leaders rejected the teachings of Christ. Christ came to fulfill the very law they lived by tradition for thousands of years. Their teaching of the Messiah that would come to save them did not save them the way they had practiced and believed. The Messiah was at their door, and they turned him away.

Yes, but anti-Jesus would attack Him, not His teachings. Anti-Mormon sites attack doctrine, and tend to not attack people. Granted some prophets taught some things that are interesting, and they tend to be brought up again and again. But these are things they taught. I have yet to see an anti-Jesus site that shows how Jesus' teachings were wrong.

Now for our elitism. Do you think that it is elitism that we do not attack others beliefs? You did not find many of the teachings on the website because people who are investigating the church, just as Paul taught his new members need milk before the meat. You are only going to find the basics, and that is really all your ready to learn about the church. Coming here and listening to the rants of those who really are anti is not a good place to start. But being anti only means that you are actively opposed to the teachings, and you actively preach against its teachings. Just learning about it does not put you in the anti side. You still can disagree, but if you preach against it, then you are opposing our beliefs. That makes you anti. I am not anti your religion because I don't preach against it. In fact I am glad you have faith in Christ. If you are put off, it could be because of the circumstances you are in. You are not happy with the LDS that your son joined. Keep learning. Be patient. You have just started.

(bolding mine)

I'm sorry, did you say you don't attack other churches? I want to be clear on this before I give you a plethora of quotes from the LDS doing this exact thing. But just to make sure I'm clear on your meaning, please answer this specific question. Does the LDS church attack other denominations?

 

[disciple00]

hello all,
i am new to the forum but i feel i have somewhat to offer, i was once a mormon, very zealous and stout and what not. but today i am not, i am just a plain old christian. i dont connect myself to any sect or anything except jesus, and his words. when i was a mormon, i had a born again experience, i was renewed by jesus, when i confessed my sins and repented from them ( to repent is to change ones heart, it is different than saying ''sorry'') from that moment on i decided that i would forget everything that i had learned from men, and start with a simple foundation; God lives, and he sent Jesus to save sinners. with that i began to study the bible (for the record at that time i had read the book of mormon nine times) and from a mere cursory reading i found many of the mormon doctrines to be in horrible error. so from that time on i considered myself a non mormon. I have been walking with the Lord for two years now, and the more i study of the bible, the more horribly offended i am at the docrines of men that the mormons claim to be from God. currently i am writing an essay on these doctrines and why they are false. all you LDS folks out there, dont think i am ''anti mormon'' my whole family are mormons and i love them dearly. not to mention the bible says that if i man claims to love God and hates his brother that man is a liar. the fact is i love mormons just like i love the catholics, and even militant athiests. but because i love you i can't say what you believe is correct just to not hurt your feelings. if something is not right it is wrong, and well that makes it against God. and if it is against god it aught not to be something to believed by anyone. pray that God will allow me to finish the essay for you all. and remember, all strife is caused only by pride, if yu love jesus then you love eachother. if you are preachign the gospel for anyother cause than love and concern for one another you aught to close your mouth. remember no fountain will give salk water and fresh.
yours in Christ

disciple00

 

[Wrigley]

hello all,
i am new to the forum but i feel i have somewhat to offer, i was once a mormon, very zealous and stout and what not. but today i am not, i am just a plain old christian. i dont connect myself to any sect or anything except jesus, and his words. when i was a mormon, i had a born again experience, i was renewed by jesus, when i confessed my sins and repented from them ( to repent is to change ones heart, it is different than saying ''sorry'') from that moment on i decided that i would forget everything that i had learned from men, and start with a simple foundation; God lives, and he sent Jesus to save sinners. with that i began to study the bible (for the record at that time i had read the book of mormon nine times) and from a mere cursory reading i found many of the mormon doctrines to be in horrible error. so from that time on i considered myself a non mormon. I have been walking with the Lord for two years now, and the more i study of the bible, the more horribly offended i am at the docrines of men that the mormons claim to be from God. currently i am writing an essay on these doctrines and why they are false. all you LDS folks out there, dont think i am ''anti mormon'' my whole family are mormons and i love them dearly. not to mention the bible says that if i man claims to love God and hates his brother that man is a liar. the fact is i love mormons just like i love the catholics, and even militant athiests. but because i love you i can't say what you believe is correct just to not hurt your feelings. if something is not right it is wrong, and well that makes it against God. and if it is against god it aught not to be something to believed by anyone. pray that God will allow me to finish the essay for you all. and remember, all strife is caused only by pride, if yu love jesus then you love eachother. if you are preachign the gospel for anyother cause than love and concern for one another you aught to close your mouth. remember no fountain will give salk water and fresh.
yours in Christ

disciple00

What church do you attend now?

 

[Phoenix]

Welcome disciple00

 

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disciple00 quote:
if yu love jesus then you love eachother. if you are preachign the gospel for anyother cause than love and concern for one another you aught to close your mouth. remember no fountain will give salk water and fresh.
yours in Christ

Hello and welcome to CF.


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Hello Kevin,

Welcome to CF.

If you like, I can post what Joseph Smith had to say about Christians.

We are pro-people, not against people. We are against false doctrines and try to show the Truth. Jesus said there would be false Christs and false prophets.

You might want to read the anti-whatever thread.

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