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Discussion in 'Exploring Christianity' started by Tellyontellyon, May 22, 2022.

  1. Tellyontellyon

    Tellyontellyon Well-Known Member

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    What is the Christian opinion about bondage, sado-masochism, dressing up in leather or latex etc.

    * In the context of a loving marriage...
    is it a sin?
     
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  2. dqhall

    dqhall Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I can not represent all of those who call themselves Christian, yet the things you described as, “bondage, sado-masochism, dressing up in leather or latex etc.” are perversion.

    Perversion definition: “sexual behavior or desire that is considered abnormal or unacceptable.”
     
  3. Tellyontellyon

    Tellyontellyon Well-Known Member

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    Abnormal and unacceptable by whom? I'm looking for Christian and biblical answers please.
     
  4. rturner76

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    My first instinct is to say no, it's not a problem. If it is consenting adults it's their business. From my understanding, bondage is a mental and physical release more than sexual though many do get a sexual release.

    If there is no sexual release, I would even say it's okay for people who aren't married as well. Married people I feel, can do pretty much whatever floats their boats. I would draw the line at bloodsports though.

    Monks have done self-flagellation for a thousand years or more. I don't see much of a difference except that one is done for God and one is done for self-gratification. That's a pretty big difference but the act is not much different.
     
  5. Maria Billingsley

    Maria Billingsley Well-Known Member Supporter

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    A true Christian will have the guidance of the Holy Spirit in their life. There are fruits of the Holy Spirit and then there is the "quenching" of the Holy Spirit. Indulging the flesh is one such way to block His work in the Christian.
    Galatians 5:13
    "You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love."

    Be blessed!
     
  6. Tom 1

    Tom 1 Optimistic sceptic Supporter

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    The biblical teaching on sex in marriage is that each partner should consider the needs of the other (1 Cor 7), so that is pretty much open-ended. Sex outside of marriage is condemned to the extent of a proscription on even thinking about it, or looking at another woman, but within the bible there are no prohibitions on what you do in marriage. The bible mentions sodomy (in some translations) but doesn't explicitly say anything about it in relation to marriage. Some churches have particular notions about some sexual acts, but those are later pronouncements of this or that pope, or a matter of local cultural norms etc., and have no relation to the text of the bible.
     
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  7. BobRyan

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    The highest value in Christianity is love not hate, not torment, not torture.

    Matthew 22:35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him: 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the great and foremost commandment. 39 The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 Upon these two commandments hang the whole Law and the Prophets.”


    It is freedom not bondage
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    John 8:

    36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

    Galatians 5:1 It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.

    It opposes unnatural passion and perversion

    Romans 1:
    18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

    24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, 25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. 27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; 29 being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, 30 backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; 32 who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.

    Jude 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these angels indulged in sexual perversion and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
     
  8. Tellyontellyon

    Tellyontellyon Well-Known Member

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    But these things are not defined? What may seem like a perversion to one person may seem natural to another... A Christian would have to say that God gets the final call on that... So where are these things set out, defined. What is natural and what is unnatural according to scripture.
    It's no good using words if they are not defined by God, rather than man creating his own definition.
     
  9. dqhall

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    Sadomasochism is cruel. The sexual partners whip each other inflicting pain. Sadomasochism is the joy of hurting people and being hurt. None of the apostles recommended it. There are no passages of the Bible commanding it.

    If you start a church based on this type of kinky sex, you might not fill the pews or the offering plate.
     
  10. aiki

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    The mixture of violence and pain with the God-sanctified marriage bed of romantic love is abhorrent to God. Nowhere in all of Scripture is there the slightest hint that God intended, or permits, sex between a husband and wife to be associated with domination, abuse and pain. The bottom line is that sex is God's doing: He created sex and marriage and, as in all things, is to be at the center of the Christian's thinking and conduct in these areas. The marriage bed is to honor Him, and reflect His holiness, purity, love and goodness. Bondage, sad-masochism, various sexual "kinks" come from the World, not from God, and are carnal corruptions of what God intends in love-making. They don't reflect our Holy Maker, our gentle, gracious, self-sacrificing God. Certainly, there is nothing that glorifies Him in a spouse abusing their mate, or binding them, or making fleshly stimulation the sole, or greatest purpose of, love-making, which glorification is to be the end goal of all that a Christian does (1 Corinthians 6:19-20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Matthew 5:16; Romans 15:5-6, etc.)
     
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  11. BobRyan

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    That is why I included these texts about bondage and slavery -



    In Christianity -- respect and love (not domination and whipping) is the attitude of one toward another.

    In the Bible whips, whipping, stripes - is always a negative thing. So also is bondage, tying someone up, making someone helpless etc.
     
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