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Flirting = deceitful?

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I've kinda been thinking (bad idea, I know) about one of my more recent posts, and I'm wondering if my problem is that I feel like flirting, or getting girls more attracted to you, is a lot like selling a used car. I'm definitely like a 92 Civic, so yeah. But I sell myself as a Ferrari, as any used car salesman would.

I just feel that's disingenuous. I feel like I'm talking myself up a little too much (though I'm really not at times), and then someday in the future reality.....boom, you've got a lemon. Sorry lady. And I'm here to stay.

Does anyone else feel that way? Like you're being deceitful and stuff? Or is it just me?

A person should be as honest as they can without being indiscreet at the same time. I'm brutally honest on here, I think, but I do know that I'm also very 'toney' in my voice so I don't reckon most folks know how I'd get something across! LOL! And I think that most would be surprised to find just how girly I am! ^_^ As for what folks think of me, I really couldn't care! I try to let folks feel the weight of me .............. and let them deal with it! Mweeheeheehee!!! ;)
 
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You can sell a Civic as a Civic. Selling /= lying

True.

2a. When I'm myself (like myself myself), people don't like me as much. I already have enough issues already with my stupid head and such a high level of physical attraction, I really don't need to scare off any more women. I feel like there are only a very few out there that would like me as I am right now, and if I accidentally did something dumb (like say something unpopular) I'll just be done. Like, no mas. Forced to join a monastery or something.

I wouldn't be worried about scaring off women. Even if you only like women that have a big toe longer than their second toe <waits for everyone to look at their feet>, then a woman that met that criteria who was scared off by something you said with good intentions would not make a good match long term anyway. Better to get that out of the way quickly.

2b. One of the books I got was on not becoming a people-pleaser, and standing up for myself and being my own personality. Maybe that will help about this, or at least give me some tenacity to have me do my own thing. Because maybe after I scare people off, more people will show up. I don't know, because I'm not doing that just yet.

Think about the circles you move in and the things you like doing. Do they match? If not then you might need to start talking to other people where it is easier to be yourself.

Good job taking my quotes out of context, Josh. Since you're often misunderstood, I thought you'd empathize but I guess not. I was referring in "scraps" to women who aren't ready to put themselves into relationships by still being in love with someone else. Oftentimes this other person has messed her up so badly that she's not all there, she's not willing to love you the right way, she is a "left-over" who can't seem to separate herself from her ex. How that has to do with attraction is nothing at all. It's all personality, and yes it's a turnoff as a personality but that's about it. Do you stop loving those people? No. Do you treat them like they were already treated? No. If people stop looking at buzzwords and start looking at what I'm actually saying, maybe people here wouldn't hate me so much.

I'm going to have to call you out on this mate. scraps and leftovers might have a particular definition for you, but if we haven't come across it elsewhere we'll probably jump to the most likely definitions, and then colour what you are trying to say within that definition.

Women aren't idiots. Everyone's going to talk themselves up, or get their wingman/woman to. I think as long as you aren't being ridiculous with the embellishment (don't say you're Spanish royalty if you're not), you should be ok.

People still use wings? Isn't that so 1980's frat boy?

To recap: I like my personality, tolerate how I look, but I feel like when I'm flirting these girls look better than I do and that makes me feel uncomfortable because I feel like I'm being dishonest about how I look to them and also omitting some various small other problems I'm obviously not mentioning up-front, and I feel they can see that dishonesty as well. Though I would tell them if we were dating or something, though.

You aren't actually a car being sold. There is no need to inform of every fault you have up front. That is what I think the dating process is for. To get to know a person more fully, faults and all, and to determine the future direction of the relationship. Eventually you will have to tell them more, assuming the relationship progresses far enough but by informing a chick you barely know that you have aspergers (for example) at the same time you ask for a date then she hasn't yet seen any of your 'pluses'. Note: I was having lunch today with a mate who is recently married, like 4 months ago. He has aspergers and she of course knows.
I hate that if I ask "am I attractive?" I'm either going to get lip service or if it's a truthful answer, it's not at my "target demographic" (because I'm not attracted to any of yous, I'm really sorry but it's not really a choice...you know?). I'm personally cool with how I look, because it's how I look. But to others, that's the problem. And cue the feelings of dishonesty. :p

Dude! Don't ask a chick if she finds you attractive. Firstly because I believe you are meaning only physical attractiveness, which means you are putting too much value, and perhaps in your head trying to conciliate what you think of her appearance, and the belief that she should match that opinion with one of you. And secondly you are telling her that physical attractiveness is held highly by you and she may feel that she cannot be pretty enough (yes lots of pretty girls think they aren't) to meet your priority on attractiveness.
 
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Sorry for the huge wall of text there. I felt I had to answer some particular statements.

As for me, I don't see that flirting is deceptive because flirting is just a combination of two actions. Showing interest in someone and displaying ourselves to someone. I don't particularly display myself off to people, indeed on these forums I show more of myself than I usually do because for the most part you are all accepting of me, and I live miles and miles away which makes me feel safe. But I do show interest in people a lot! Going through a drive through I'll pay attention to the staff and ask them how their shift is going, or I'll have a long chat about nothing with a co-worker. I'm not hitting on them, I'm just wanting them to feel good, to feel they are worth being treated nicely.

FWIW I'm a bit like a reconditioned Bedford.
 
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I reckon I probably flirt without mening to sometimes, but hey mate - if you're flirting with girls you reckon are gonna go sleep with other guys then honestly, who are you looking at?! If you truly want a relationship - because that's what it'll be - then you need to seriously consider who the other half should be. Think about who you are right now. Is Christ important to you? If yes, then He should be important to your potential spouse as well. You're worth someone who places value on the same things as you. Don't settle for less. You are a prince of the King - and as such will need a Princess (when the time comes). For the moment, enjoy your singleness - learn from God about the man He wants you to be, and flirt if you must, but ask yourself - 'is this gonna go somewhere that God would be happy about?'
Love in Christ. :)
 
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I wouldn't be worried about scaring off women. Even if you only like women that have a big toe longer than their second toe <waits for everyone to look at their feet>, then a woman that met that criteria who was scared off by something you said with good intentions would not make a good match long term anyway. Better to get that out of the way quickly.
Aye, good point.
Think about the circles you move in and the things you like doing. Do they match? If not then you might need to start talking to other people where it is easier to be yourself.
Don't really get much of a choice in college....I mean there's definitely groups that respect me more than others, but my roommates don't hang out with them, and I'm generally with my roommates because they're my roommate, so yeah....it's a lot harder than just "go hang out with friends who aren't bad people".
I'm going to have to call you out on this mate. scraps and leftovers might have a particular definition for you, but if we haven't come across it elsewhere we'll probably jump to the most likely definitions, and then colour what you are trying to say within that definition.
Seeing as how I gave that original definition in the original post/thread, again people just want to assume the worst about me because I don't think or frame problems the same way as they do.
People still use wings? Isn't that so 1980's frat boy?
I've done it for people....it still works.


You aren't actually a car being sold. There is no need to inform of every fault you have up front. That is what I think the dating process is for. To get to know a person more fully, faults and all, and to determine the future direction of the relationship. Eventually you will have to tell them more, assuming the relationship progresses far enough but by informing a chick you barely know that you have aspergers (for example) at the same time you ask for a date then she hasn't yet seen any of your 'pluses'. Note: I was having lunch today with a mate who is recently married, like 4 months ago. He has aspergers and she of course knows.
It's kinda hard to hide aspergers, mate. :p I'm nowhere like that. Just some things that affect me that may soon go away anyway if given some time and stuff. Like a long-term illness that is leaving the body soon. :)
Dude! Don't ask a chick if she finds you attractive. Firstly because I believe you are meaning only physical attractiveness, which means you are putting too much value, and perhaps in your head trying to conciliate what you think of her appearance, and the belief that she should match that opinion with one of you. And secondly you are telling her that physical attractiveness is held highly by you and she may feel that she cannot be pretty enough (yes lots of pretty girls think they aren't) to meet your priority on attractiveness.
Well, I would be only talking about physical attractiveness. I'm fully confident in my personality, but the ship "body" has to cross the sea and make it there before the army of Spanish conquistadors can run train on people. Btw, that has got to be my best metaphor in awhile. :p

Insecurity, you're right, is something I shouldn't cultivate though. I just have that fear that I'm often the "right now" because she's gonna find and upgraded version of me and I'm donezo. It's very crippling on the approach to know that there are better people out there and they might snap up your date like a vulture before you can really have any chance of getting those conquistadors out there. :sorry:

as for the car thing, I am an original Ford Model T straight off the assembly line, original parts and paint. ;)
Get about 40 years older, then we'll talk about getting you an old car like that. ;)

I reckon I probably flirt without mening to sometimes, but hey mate - if you're flirting with girls you reckon are gonna go sleep with other guys then honestly, who are you looking at?! If you truly want a relationship - because that's what it'll be - then you need to seriously consider who the other half should be. Think about who you are right now. Is Christ important to you? If yes, then He should be important to your potential spouse as well. You're worth someone who places value on the same things as you. Don't settle for less. You are a prince of the King - and as such will need a Princess (when the time comes). For the moment, enjoy your singleness - learn from God about the man He wants you to be, and flirt if you must, but ask yourself - 'is this gonna go somewhere that God would be happy about?'
Love in Christ. :)
I'm looking at regular girls, like the ones at school or the ones at the post office or whatever! Christian girls who I'm attracted to do not want me. This I've realized long ago, and I have come to peace with. Since I'm not willing to "play ball" and do all that christianese and whatever to puff myself up, I'm not on their radar. The ironic thing is even when I became an assistant pastor for awhile, I was still persona non grata. I'm just used to that now, and I have come to peace that I may never have everything that I'm looking for in a person.

Singleness, for those who are not meant to be single, is a curse. Don't ever forget that, lest you be deluded like the Christians Paul writes about in his First Letter to the Corinthians.

:unbelievable::whyy:

Just wanted to do that :smirk:
This thread is being invaded by onionheads!! :burglar:
 
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I may be the only person in this thread that doesn't assosiate flirting with telling someone about myself.

If you don't like certain aspects of who you are, perhaps it's time to change them? It's better to recognise that "who we are" is not only "who we were" but also "who we are becomming as a result of our present thoughts and decisions in life". The past only predicts the future if you let it.

As for misrepresentation - it's always a turn off. I've had women misrepresent themselves to me, even boast - and it doesn't impress. I need to find out for myself rather than being told.

This reminds me of a time a while back where I was chatting with this woman outside a pub where my friend's band used to play. We were chatting about employment and wages and what not and this guy who was partially involved in our conversation boasted "$35,000? I pay that every year in TAX!!!"

Who do you think was impressed? I wasn't, and by the expression on her face, neither was she. The opposite, really.
 
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that kinda reminds me of the guy I worked with the other night who spent our entire shift together telling me what a genius he was and how he was the hardest worker there and how he was going to be rich within 2 years because of all his hard work. I was fighting the urge to roll my eyes at how hard he was trying to sell himself, but when it got to closing and I asked him where the bleach was to clean down the counters he just shrugged and said, "I never bother doing that." It took everything in me not to burst out with, "so much for being the hardest working guy here, huh?"


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If you don't like certain aspects of who you are, perhaps it's time to change them? It's better to recognise that "who we are" is not only "who we were" but also "who we are becomming as a result of our present thoughts and decisions in life". The past only predicts the future if you let it.
That's words of the wise.

I only think that if it's not here now, then it's not true. Sure eventually my exercise and weightlifting will make me "ripped" or at least less fat, that's true. But trying to convince others that what will be will be what is is the problem.
 
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I've felt that way for a long time. I've always seen flirting as an attempt to hook the affections of another person without exposing them to who one really is. And I've also thought that is one reason why so many people have unrealistic expectations going into relationships, and why so many relationships are short-lived. Personally, I refuse to flirt. If I notice myself doing it, I stop immediately. I understand that puts me at a disadvantage as far as attracting women goes, but I'm okay with that. If a woman is ever to fall in love with me, it will be more genuine than appreciation for a show that I've put on.
 
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And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry: 13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thingthereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves...

I think if someone flirts with you, you should understand that what they are showing is all you can expect to get.
 
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That would mean that subconsciously we're all prostituting ourselves. :sorry:

And? Prostitutes are the only ones that do it the most honest or upfront way. Just think...you could be middle aged and you are with someone you love and for 29.99, she could buy herself a dress that makes her more appealing after years of seeing the same body time and time again. So almost 30 bucks got more excitement and then you could actually get to the gym and get that 6 pack off your stomach and she all of a sudden just thinks you are the next George Clooney so for a 10 buck a month membership, you could have more intimacy. That sounds a lot better than going to Nevada to the right city where its legal, or going to a country that it is legal and paying some employed brothel worker to have sex with you doesn't it? :p
 
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I think flirting and being deceitful are two different things. Although it's possible to flirt in a dishonest manner, it isn't part and parcel of flirting.

I may be the only person in this thread that doesn't associate flirting with telling someone about myself.

You're not the only one, my friend.
 
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I think flirting and being deceitful are two different things. Although it's possible to flirt in a dishonest manner, it isn't part and parcel of flirting.



You're not the only one, my friend.
VOICES OF REASON IN THE THREAD :clap:

I never knew making a woman laugh would mean that I'm being dishonest.

I never knew that trying to show that I am interested that means I'm being dishonest.
 
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then you could actually get to the gym and get that 6 pack off your stomach and she all of a sudden just thinks you are the next George Clooney so for a 10 buck a month membership, you could have more intimacy.
That's a bit generous as to what the gym does (w/o plastic surgery anyway), but if going to the gym makes women think you're George Clooney....what are you still doing reading this? Go to the gym already! :p
 
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