Then debate me. If your ideas are as strong and fundamental as you claim, and mine as weak as you believe, then you should have no problem in proving me wrong.
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There is nothing to debate celibate men who wrote pages and pages about how people are to have sex is pretty ironic...
Then debate me. If your ideas are as strong and fundamental as you claim, and mine as weak as you believe, then you should have no problem in proving me wrong.
I never stated your beliefs were weak, if that is what you got from my post I appologize. You have a right to believe what you want.
The fact that you believe church teachings does not mean they pertain to me.
Most of the posts here from the fundies are Nazi propoganda the sad thing is you cannot see that, or that poster's silliness or immaturity...if your greater, Christian sensibilities are so offended, perhaps you need to use the ignore feature...
If, as claimed, the teachings of the Church are universal, then they certainly apply to you, and everyone. And, if that is not only demonstrated to be true, but that specifically the Church's teachings on sexuality are demonstrated to be true, then shouldn't you be interested in knowing what the Church teaches? It is not enough to say "It doesn't pertain to me" to dismiss an argument as untrue. If you do not know the Church's teachings for yourself, how can you know it sufficiently to dismiss it as wrong? The teachings of the Church are not true because I believe them, I believe them because they are true. If I am wrong on the matter (specifically the Church's teachings on sexuality), then I would certainly like to know that.
What does the Bible say about pedophilia, necrophilia, and incest?
The Church is not Universal it's Universal to it's believers...
Now there's a non sequitur if ever I've seen one. How is this relevent to:Matthew 19:14
14Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."
Christians believe we should. If they are anti-gay, then everyone should live in an anti-gay society. If they are anti-abortion, then everyone should live in an anti-abortion society. If they are a Lib Dem, then everyone should live in a Lib Dem society. At least the atheists leave us non-Christian theists aloneWait, are you saying that non christians should have to live by the rules of christianity?
At least the atheists leave us non-Christian theists alone.
Wait, are you saying that non christians should have to live by the rules of christianity?
I'm saying that the truth is not relative to our personal beliefs. The truth is independent of what you or I think. Thus, I have absolutely nothing to lose entering into a debate on any subject, no matter how emotionally-charged it is for people. If I am proven right, then my argument is strengthened. If I am wrong, then at least I will no longer be burdened by false beliefs. It has nothing to do with Christians or non-Christians -- it has everything to do with wanting to live in a free, democratic society. Such a society cannot survive, much less thrive, if we are so attached to our personal beliefs that we're unwilling to test them in the marketplace of ideas. So -- will you debate the Catholic position on sexuality or not?
Christianity is not relative to what people believe. It is true regardless of what you and I believe. If I believe mistakenly, I would certainly like to know that. Wouldn't you? So, why do you avoid debating the Catholic position on sexuality? If it is not true, as you already believe, then you should have available the tools to demonstrate its falsehood.
Faith is about what cannot be proven so there is no great truth...
there is nothing to debate if you want your sex life to follow church teachings you have the freedom to do so...I do have the opinion that most of those teachings have to do with the oppression of women.
I don't believe that oppresion of women was ever intentional, merely an unintended byproduct of elevating pre-contraceptive, blood line obsessed social rules to the position of "God ordained morality".there is nothing to debate if you want your sex life to follow church teachings you have the freedom to do so...I do have the opinion that most of those teachings have to do with the oppression of women.
So -- will you debate the Catholic position on sexuality or not?
What is there for me to debate? The Catholic position on sexuality is based on a religion that encourges people to ignore evidence in favor of being told what to do. Their position on homosexuality, transsexuality, and things like that ignore medical science and proclaim that they are disorders that can and should be cured. If actual evidence can't sway the opinion, what am I going to say that will make you change your mind?
You can start by reading the actual position of the Catholic Church on the issues.
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