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I'm talking first about Genesis 1, which is the chapter you brought up. My position is and always has been that Scripture neither refers to a flat stationary earth nor a rotating globe.
So I repeat, tell me what Genesis 1 reveals about a flat stationary earth.
But why then did you refer to it when I was referring to the flat stationary earth? You said "I cannot read Genesis 1 in any other way other than what it reveals."You know that Genesis 1 doesn't reveal a flat stationary earth.
But why then did you refer to it when I was referring to the flat stationary earth?
But Genesis 1 doesn't say any such thing, all it says about the earth is that it was created before the sun. What is to stop God from causing it to orbit the sun after the sun was created? The Scripture is silent on that. There is no verse that says that after the sun was created, the earth does not orbit it and that the earth is flat and stationary.Dunno, I suppose it's that Genesis 1 has always been my anchor at supporting a flat stationary earth which doesn't orbit the sun.
Genesis begins with primeval waters, eternal ocean. From the waters, God creates dry land mass. Then He creates firmament to separate the cosmic ocean into two parts. Later, God places the Sun, the Moon and the stars into the firmament.But Genesis 1 doesn't say any such thing, all it says about the earth is that it was created before the sun. What is to stop God from causing it to orbit the sun after the sun was created? The Scripture is silent on that. There is no verse that says that after the sun was created, the earth does not orbit it and that the earth is flat and stationary.
Genesis 1 is a truly amazing chapter speaking of God's almighty power revealed in His creation. But nowhere does it state or imply that the earth is flat and stationary and does not orbit the sun.
So how can that be your anchor for a flat stationary earth not orbiting the sun? There is nothing there to use as an anchor.
My point is that there is no mention of a flat stationary earth not orbiting the sun. It's not in Genesis 1.Genesis begins with primeval waters, eternal ocean. From the waters, God creates dry land mass. Then He creates firmament to separate the cosmic ocean into two parts. Later, God places the Sun, the Moon and the stars to the firmament.
The creation story reflects the ancient Mesopotamian view of the world:
Genesis 1 describes the flat earth cosmology with the Sun, the Moon and stars being only "lights" in the firmament. And the cosmic ocean above and around it.My point is that there is no mention of a flat stationary earth not orbiting the sun. It's not in Genesis 1.
No it doesn't. And again this is a topic for a different thread. You are taking what Scripture says, comparing it to an ancient Mesopotamian view, and then conflating the two. That is essentially adding to Scripture.Genesis 1 describes the flat earth cosmology with the Sun, the Moon and stars being only "lights" in the firmament. And the cosmic ocean above and around it.
I.e. it describes a world that does not orbit the sun.
You are asking where does Genesis describe the flat earth and I am answering. Genesis specifically, literally describes the creation of the flat earth, geocentric universe, with firmament, primeval ocean etc.No it doesn't. And again this is a topic for a different thread. You are taking what Scripture says, comparing it to an ancient Mesopotamian view, and then conflating the two. That is essentially adding to Scripture.
I am dealing with what is specifically said in Scripture and what is not.
No it doesn't. There is no mention of a flat stationary earth not orbiting the sun in Genesis 1. Debating whether it merges with Mesopotamian views is a different topic. People can have different views on that and you obviously stick with a view that works best for you. But it doesn't work for anyone who believes in the inerrancy of Scripture to do that.You are asking where does the Genesis describes the flat earth and I am answering. Genesis specifically, literally describes the creation of the flat earth, geocentric universe, with firmament etc.
Genesis does not literally say "the Earth is not a globe and does not orbit the Sun", indeed. Such idea was so foreign for them they would never think of it. It was discovered in Europe, not in Mesopotamia.No it doesn't. There is no mention of a flat stationary earth not orbiting the sun in Genesis 1. Debating whether it merges with Mesopotamian views is a different topic. People can have different views on that and you obviously stick with a view that works best for you. But it doesn't work for anyone who believes in the inerrancy of Scripture to do that.
To people like me to suggest Scripture was written according to ancient mythological views and not from God's own truth would be denying the truthfulness of God. Using terminologies that were understood at the time is a different view and is the view I take.
Genesis does not literally say "the Earth is not a globe and does not orbit the Sun", indeed. Such idea was so foreign for them they would never think of it. It was discovered in Europe, not in Mesopotamia.
But it describes such creation that is incompatible with our modern Solar System model - primeval ocean, firmament, lights in the firmament, waters above firmament etc. Its not "God's own truth", of course, such view of the biblical inspiration does noThe earth is flat and in a dome called a
I beg to differ. Taking one example of 'firmament'. The meaning of this word in the original Hebrew is very much debated. Some Bible versions use the word 'expanse' instead, indicating a difficulty with the translation. It's the reason why I won't accept the view that Scripture indicates a solid dome. It cannot be pinned down to such a meaning.Genesis does not literally say "the Earth is not a globe and does not orbit the Sun", indeed. Such idea was so foreign to them they would never think of it.
But it describes such creation that is incompatible with our modern Solar System model - primeval ocean, firmament, lights in the firmament, waters above firmament etc. Its not "God's own truth", of course, such view of the biblical inspiration does not work.
Instead of focusing on one word, read the whole creation story. The context says it all. It describes common Mesopotamian cosmology.I beg to differ. Taking one example of 'firmament'. The meaning of this word in the original Hebrew is very much debated. Some Bible versions use the word 'expanse' instead, indicating a difficulty with the translation. It's the reason why I won't accept the view that Scripture indicates a solid dome. It cannot be pinned down to such a meaning.
Bible was not written by God.If the earth is spherical and flying thru space then why does God say the earth cannot be moved and mounted on pillars no less than 3 times in the Bible. Who do u believe. Atheist scientists or the God of the Bible? God says the earth , the sun, the moon, and the stars are in a dome Covering the earth called an expanse. God said in Joshua he stopped the sun from moving. So tell Christian where is God lying?
Its quite clear. The context is the Mesopotamian cosmology. Again - primeval ocean, dry land from waters, waters above the firmament, under the firmament. Stars, the Sun, the Moon in the firmament.Exactly, which is the difficulty with the translation, because the context is not clear as to what it actually means.
No it's not quite clear. You are comparing Scripture to Mesopotamian cosmology in order to explain Scripture. There is no need to do that.Its quite clear. The context is the Mesopotamian cosmology. Again - primeval ocean, dry land from waters, waters above the firmament, under the firmament. Stars, the Sun, the Moon in the firmament.
This is not a description of the Solar System.
Guess I didn’t read my whole by post. I wasn’t focusing on one word. First of all God says clearly the earth sun moon and dress are in the firmament. But you say they are not. Then I said God said no less than three times the earth cannot be moved and is mounted on pillars but I guess u say it’s not. Then God says he stopped the sun from moving are u saying he did not say that. At least read the scriptures they say this then tell me how God got it wrong.Instead of focusing on one word, read the whole creation story. The context says it all. It describes common Mesopotamian cosmology.
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