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Aman777 · Dec 15, 2018

Strathos said:
If that's not evidence, then what is?

The evidence is here in Adam's firmament which was placed under water with water above and below it.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

God put water into the bottom of the firmament from under the firmament and put dry land or ground on top of the water. Take ANY container and put water into the bottom with dry ground on top and you have a model of Adam's Flat Earth. The problem is with the ancient religious view and NOT what is actually written in Genesis.

Strathos · Dec 15, 2018

Aman777 said:
The evidence is here in Adam's firmament which was placed under water with water above and below it.

Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. Gen 1:9 ¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.

God put water into the bottom of the firmament from under the firmament and put dry land or ground on top of the water. Take ANY container and put water into the bottom with dry ground on top and you have a model of Adam's Flat Earth. The problem is with the ancient religious view and NOT what is actually written in Genesis.

I'm already familiar with your ideas, thank you.

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Strathos said:
So, in other words, you're claiming all of the pictures are faked by a giant conspiracy. Called it.

BTW: How to Determine the Earth's Circumference - dummies

I'm asking you for an actual measurement. Providing a link to the inconclusive Eratosthenes experiment doesn't help your position.

Look, I can do a picture too, and it's FLAT! Is that proof enough in your mind to be a flat-earther? Or are you going to write it off as a fake, part of a flat earth conspiracy?

Steve Petersen · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I'm asking you for an actual measurement. Providing a link to the inconclusive Eratosthenes experiment doesn't help your position.

Look, I can do a picture too, and it's FLAT! Is that proof enough in your mind to be a flat-earther? Or are you going to write it off as a fake, part of a flat earth conspiracy?

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Where is the edge with the ice cliffs?

Steve Petersen · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I'm asking you for an actual measurement. Providing a link to the inconclusive Eratosthenes experiment doesn't help your position.

Look, I can do a picture too, and it's FLAT! Is that proof enough in your mind to be a flat-earther? Or are you going to write it off as a fake, part of a flat earth conspiracy?

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If I had to guess, you will dismiss this video as a CGI lie from the pit of NASA:

A Real Time 4K Journey Around Earth from Orbit

Aman777 · Dec 15, 2018

Strathos said:
I'm already familiar with your ideas, thank you.

I too am familiar with the deceptions of those who obviously cannot read and understand Genesis. They make their argument on the fact that the present Earth is not flat, so the Bible is wrong. When you read Genesis for what it actually says you will find that it distinguishes between Adam's Flat Earth, which was only 22.5 feet in elevation on it's highest mountains Genesis 7:20 and the present Earth.

1. Adam's firmament in which Adam's Earth was placed was made the 2nd Day Genesis 1:8
2. The present Cosmos was made on the 3rd Day along with the 3rd Heaven. Genesis 2:4
3. The present Earth is a ROCK, covered in water, but is not destroyed. Isa 24:19 shows that Adam's Earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood, but the present Earth CANNOT be dissolved in water.

So learn to read and you too will see that Adam's Earth, as described in Genesis, is Flat and was totally destroyed in the flood. 2 Peter 3:6 Please quit posting a mocking, unfair view of what is actually written in Genesis.

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Steve Petersen said:
Where is the edge with the ice cliffs?

I suppose somewhere closer to the dome than I am currently.

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Steve Petersen said:
If I had to guess, you will dismiss this video as a CGI lie from the pit of NASA:

A Real Time 4K Journey Around Earth from Orbit

1. It's not real-time as it cuts around.

2. The curve of the earth is apparently variable, who knew? For example, the cut around 1:08:57 shows a far more severe curve that it did just a moment before.

So, yea, I'll have to dismiss it if the purpose is to show a continuous and consistent globe earth. But that's only because it shows neither. Nice pictures though.

Steve Petersen · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
1. It's not real-time as it cuts around.

2. The curve of the earth is apparently variable, who knew? For example, the cut around 1:08:57 shows a far more severe curve that it did just a moment before.

So, yea, I'll have to dismiss it if the purpose is to show a continuous and consistent globe earth. But that's only because it shows neither. Nice pictures though.

So, you think the vid is a NASA fake?

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Steve Petersen said:
So, you think the vid is a NASA fake?

I don't know anything about the video, other than it isn't what it claims to be.

If you wish to address my points and explain why you felt that was evidence of your claims, feel free.

Tom 1 · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I went beyond a lot of superficial notions in many different areas, that's why I'm a flat-earther. Perhaps you could try taking your own advice from the FE point of view. I've been where you are, but few, if any, of you have been where I am.

True. How do you explain GPS systems from a FE POV?

Steve Petersen · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I don't know anything about the video, other than it isn't what it claims to be.

If you wish to address my points and explain why you felt that was evidence of your claims, feel free.

As to point 2: The curvature changes because the orbit of the ISS is elliptical. It is closer to the earth at some points in its orbit than at others, so the camera captures more of the curve when the ISS is farther from the earth.

Regarding point 1: there are times when the ISS experiences Loss of Signal because of the need to switch to different tracking stations. https://www.quora.com/When-ISS-is-r...here-still-be-loss-of-signal-HD-earth-viewing

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Tom Farebrother said:
True. How do you explain GPS systems from a FE POV?

Please see post #31.

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

Steve Petersen said:
As to point 2: The curvature changes because the orbit of the ISS is elliptical. It is closer to the earth at some points in its orbit than at others, so the camera captures more of the curve when the ISS is farther from the earth.

Regarding point 1: there are times when the ISS experiences Loss of Signal because of the need to switch to different tracking stations. https://www.quora.com/When-ISS-is-r...here-still-be-loss-of-signal-HD-earth-viewing

And if I were to make excuses about the video, it would be seen as some form of 'gotcha'. You people provide quite the entertainment with my morning coffee.

If you have any actual measurements of a ball that is 8 inches per mile squared, I'd love to see it, but if all you can throw out there is pictures, save us all some time and don't.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
A shadow will conform to the shape of the object it's being cast upon.

If that were true the shadow on the moon would look like this.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I just wanted to add, have you ever seen a selenelion eclipse? There's some footage of recent ones floating around.

It's a lunar eclipse with both the sun and moon fully visible in the sky, an impossibility if the earth is supposed to be directly between the two.

You should probably understand how atmospheric refraction works before coming to the conclusion the earth is flat from a selenelion eclipse.

SpiritualBeing · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
I suppose somewhere closer to the dome than I am currently.

Where are the pictures of the edge? Got any videos you can post? Which continents are on the edge?

SeventyOne · Dec 15, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
If that were true the shadow on the moon would look like this.

Nice. You see a joke picture and think it's true? Might as well follow it up with that pic of the solar system with a flat earth wedged between other planets. Here, let me help.

SpiritualBeing said:
You should probably understand how atmospheric refraction works before coming to the conclusion the earth is flat from a selenelion eclipse.

I didn't come to the conclusion it's flat from the selenelion eclipse. I came to that conclusion after witnessing over a hundred motion and/or curvature tests demonstrating no motion or curvature.

SpiritualBeing said:
Where are the pictures of the edge? Got any videos you can post?

Never been to the edge. No need to even ever try. Flat earth can be proven without it.

Jimmy D · Dec 15, 2018

SpiritualBeing said:
Where are the pictures of the edge? Got any videos you can post?

Lol, you think anyone’s allowed close enough to the edge to get photos? You poor deluded sheep... it is of course guarded by an enormous international secret agency of some sort.

Have any flat earthers got any maps of how they think the earth looks?

SpiritualBeing · Dec 15, 2018

SeventyOne said:
Nice. You see a joke picture and think it's true? Might as well follow it up with that pic of the solar system with a flat earth wedged between other planets. Here, let me help.

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Your claim is the Earth is flat. If the Earth was flat, the shadow it would cast on the moon’s surface when it got between the sun and the moon would, in turn, look flat like the picture.

I didn't come to the conclusion it's flat from the selenelion eclipse. I came to that conclusion after witnessing over a hundred motion and/or curvature tests demonstrating no motion or curvature.

Let’s see these curvature tests demonstrating no motion or curvature.

Never been to the edge. No need to even ever try. Flat earth can be proven without it.

No need for YOU to go but what about the other billions of other people on the planet? Did they not want to go either? Millions of people go to see the Grand Canyon every year and take pictures but the edge of the earth which is supposed to be amazing no one has ever visited and taken pictures? Not one picture or video of the edge of the earth that you can provide?

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