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By the same logic, if Earth were a globe, you couldn't see beyond several miles at sea level (due to the curvature), but as you can, therefore the Earth is flat.Not sure about biblical stuff but if the earth were really flat you could easily see Africa from Florida...but you can't.
You can't even see Canada across lake Erie. Why? Because of the curvature of the earth. We can see stars millions of miles away but we can't see a hundred miles over water!
If anyone cannot see that those images are fake, they obviously have never been in a plane at night. The contrast of the lights, oceans etc. is far too sharp given the pupported altitude.If you can't see that those images are fake, then you haven't seen actual footage from the stratosphere. Especially the latter time-lapse videos with the ridiculous aurora borealis, etc. lol
If the sun is a star, why do the two greater lights get a special and separate mention to the stars in Genesis 1? The sun and the moon are not stars, according to the One who designed them. If scientists want to make up their own definitions like they want to for marriage, they can try, but they'll always be incorrect.1. The sun *is* a star by the dictionary definition of the word:
I haven't come across a model yet that adequately explains how the heavenly bodies work on a flat Earth model. Your mathematical questions highlight what I consider to be the biggest gap here. This said, the fact doesn't prove the Earth is a sphere. There are other observations heliocentric theory is unable to account for - the fact that Polaris can be seen South of the equator, the fact that the Earth's pupported acceleration toward the sun is large enough to be felt and measured (yet can't be). Sure, excuses can be made (the same as Flat Earthers can make excuses for why the maths doesn't seem to work for the heavenly bodies). But this is all they are, and all they'll ever be - excuses.How are you coming on the math? Have you chosen a particular distance for the sun yet, and have you confirmed that no distance that you choose will actually match the positions of the sun in the sky over the course of the day?
Because the Sun and the Moon are the most obvious lights from our vantage point?If the sun is a star, why do the two greater lights get a special and separate mention to the stars in Genesis 1? The sun and the moon are not stars, according to the One who designed them. If scientists want to make up their own definitions like they want to for marriage, they can try, but they'll always be incorrect.
If the sun is a star, why do the two greater lights get a special and separate mention to the stars in Genesis 1? The sun and the moon are not stars, according to the One who designed them. If scientists want to make up their own definitions like they want to for marriage, they can try, but they'll always be incorrect.
The bible favours a flat earth,
Width…
Psalm 103 WTT
Look how wide the east is from the west,
So far has he set our sins from us.
Width, right now east has no end, it goes for ever and the same for the west. The globe West is eternal, a constant clockwise.
Here in the Tyndale translation God has clearly set a width from East to West.
Take it one at a time. I will show you that all them do not indicate a flat earth.
Start from the first one. There is no better description to compare the quantity of our sin to the distance from east to west. We can not measure either. If the earth is flat, then we do not need Lord Jesus to wash our sin away.
Next one?
You can't be serious! Do you also believe the earth has four corners?
If the moon reflects the light of the sun, why is the moon's light pale and cold, and the sun's light bright and hot? The greater lights are readily distinguishable.The moon reflects the light of the sun, not give off its own light (if it did we wouldn't have moon phases). The moon obviously isn't a star, and the other heavenly bodies were just called "stars" not counting the sun because the sun is the most important and is the only star to have a day-to-day effect on our lives.
Lighthouses can be seen from beyond where they should be seen, if the Earth is curved (using simple trigonometry). These are proof the Earth is flat.Anyone who has 'ever' been in the ocean far enough out to lose sight of land KNOW this: If there are tall structures on the coast, when they come into view, they don't merely get bigger and bigger, the TOP of the structure becomes visible FIRST. That is WHY there are 'lighthouses' built to warn ships at sea. The TOP can be seen 'first' from the furthest distance.
This is simply just a characteristic of perspective. The same visual phenomena would apply to upside-down objects suspended from a vast, flat ceiling. The further the object, the more the upper part of it would (to the eye) blend with the ceiling, and only the lower part would be visible. This doesn't prove the ceiling is concave, anymore than the phenomena observed on Earth proves Earth to be concave.This makes it perfectly clear that the Earth is 'curved'. The tips of the tops of structures become visible over the horizon 'first'.
You're mistaking perspective with curvature. The same visual phenomena would apply to a vast flat surface, with objects suspended from it.If the earth were 'flat', we would simply see objects getting 'bigger and bigger'. The whole object. But the fact that we see the very 'tops' of objects 'first' is indicative of the curvature of the Earth.
NASA moon landing hoax? Can they be trusted with anything after that?Pictures taken from space, (even the space station), clearly show the curvature of the Earth.
Take a clock, and lie it flat. Whether the hour hand travels East or West, it will return to its initial position. Your claim that if you travel North or South long enough, that you will end up in the same position, has never been proven.And then there is this: if you sail in either a westerly or easterly direction for 'enough time' you will end up back where you started from. If you fly east, west, north or south LONG enough, you will end up back where you started from. The only way that this is possible is if the planet is spherical. If it were 'flat', there would be edges. There are no edges.
Antarctica is the edge. This is why there are prohibitions from normal people (i.e. you and I) exploring it.So, Joshua, where are the edges? If the Earth is 'flat', where are the edges of this Earth?
The sun basically is too far to be seen at night - it is over the horizon, due to perspective. As explained by another member, the maths around this has still to be determined. I have yet to come across a Flat Earth explanation that well explains the Heavenly bodies. This doesn't make it false - there are a number of things Heliocentricity can't explain, either, but non-verifiable excuses are made for these.And where does the Sun go at night?
The moon is one of the greater lights God created in Genesis, and hence can be seen during the day.We can 'see' the moon on many 'days'.
Again, not sure you have proof here. At the North pole, certainly, there are long periods of day, and long periods of night. This is because the sun is closer to the North pole in (Northern) Summer, and never travels far enough on its circuit to be out of sight. In (Northern) Winter, its path is increased so far from the North that it cannot be seen for significant lengths of time. The same does not apply for Antarctica, hence the requirement by authorities to prevent ordinary folk from exploring it, and discovering this truth for themselves.And explain how the sun doesn't set at the poles for months at a time? Or how there are days of darkness at the poles?
Explain how a heliocentric Earth produces lunar eclipses, with the sun still above the horizon.How about eclipses? Explain how a flat Earth produces Lunar eclipses.
The same applies to my question to you.You can't. Not in any manner that is rational.
Its not. Pilots never need to correct for curvature of the Earth, yet never go into space.Even in a jet at cruising altitude, the curvature of the earth is perceivable.
I've noticed it appeals to those with high IQs, and those who seem to have an above average sense of discernment. Certainly not those who care to please men.The only people the idea of a 'flat' earth appeal to are those that have NO experience with any tools that make it perfectly clear to everyone else that we live on a spherical shaped planet.
Why did Satan lie to Eve?And let me ask this: Why would anyone 'fake' photographs of the Earth taken from space? What possible benefits are there in faking something like that? In other words, why the deception? What would be the benefits of fooling people into believing the Earth to be round if it's flat?
Satellites aren't required for global communications, especially on a flat Earth. I don't believe they are what NASA claims they are. If satellites are real, why so many computer generated images, and no photographs?And explain satellites. How is it that we have global communications?
That's a secret probably only God knows, although I'm not sure I claimed the sun was flat.And how does the sun produce energy if it is 'flat'?
Not sure, although man hasn't dug very deep into the Earth. I believe the deepest dig was performed by the Russians, and it was in the order of kilometers, or tens of kilometers, and they couldn't get further.If the Earth is 'flat', how THICK is it? In other words, how deep can we dig before digging 'through' the Earth?
Just because I, or anyone else, state that the Earth is flat, doesn't make me omniscient with respect to all its workings and details. I say its flat because that's what God seems to state in His word, and there is enough evidence to convince me that is what He meant.I say that it's about 7900 miles in diameter. Because it's ROUND. But those that say that it's flat, how 'thick' it is. In other words, how 'deep' can we dig before digging through this 'flat earth'?
To you, from He, also.Blessings,
If the sun is a star, why do the two greater lights get a special and separate mention to the stars in Genesis 1? The sun and the moon are not stars, according to the One who designed them. If scientists want to make up their own definitions like they want to for marriage, they can try, but they'll always be incorrect.
If the moon reflects the light of the sun, why is the moon's light pale and cold, and the sun's light bright and hot? The greater lights are readily distinguishable.
I hold that the sun is not a star - the stars are considerably smaller, and their light has a quality more similar to that of the moon than the sun.
Sure, the other stars are smaller because they are gazillions of light years farther away.I hold that the sun is not a star - the stars are considerably smaller
For the same reason. What aren't you getting? If the moon is not generating its own light, if its not burning gases in thermonuclear reactions, but is only a reflection of the sun's light, then of COURSE its pale and cold. Maybe you are thinking of a mirror like mercury behind glass. That's not what we mean. The moon is rock and dirt. Think of being in a room lying in your bed, and there is a street light outside your window. On your wall is a patch of lit area that reflects the light coming through the window. It's like that.If the moon reflects the light of the sun, why is the moon's light pale and cold
I already answered your other points, so won't repeat those answers again. You can take them or leave them - no skin off my nose, but for your benefit and that of other readers, I wanted people to know there are reasonable answers.And you can't offer one significant reason other than simple deception. But deception to bring about 'what effect'. How can a belief in a round or flat earth alter one's Salvation? What would be the significance in 'creating' this 'false idea' that the Earth is round instead of 'flat'?
I already showed some evidence the Earth is flat, although it is the scriptures that set my mind on the issue. The edge, as already described, is Antarctica.And until you can answer this question, there is no actual 'reason' to try and sell this idea that the earth is 'flat' when ALL the evidence is that it is spherical. ALL the evidence. You have provided not one shred of evidence to the contrary. If so, where is it's edge. If something is 'flat' it has edges. Where are the edges of this 'flat earth' you propose. if you cannot offer this information, it's obvious that your premise is utterly false. It cannot even come close to being 'reasonable' if you can offer NO EVIDENCE.
You're just reciting what you've been taught. There is no proof of any of this that stands up to reasonable scrutiny.Because the sun we see in the sky *is* a star. It operates the same way all the other stars in the Milky Way galaxy and all across the universe work. From that perspective, there's nothing special or unique about it. We know now that there are other stars, that function the same way our sun does, that have planets as well. More are being discovered every year.
Er...not quite. The stars are *not* smaller, not by a long shot. The largest known star (or the leading candidate at the moment is UY Scuti, in the constellation Scutum. (And then there's VY Canis Majoris, for another.) As for brightest star, apart from our own sun, due to how close we are to it, would be Sirius. Also, Sirius is twice as big as our own sun.
And "Greater lights" is just poetic language, not a statement of fact.
As for why the moon's light isn't as bright, apart from the fact it doesn't generate any of its own but instead reflects the light of the sun is due to what is called albedo.
https://www.esr.org/outreach/glossary/albedo.html
You're just reciting what you've been taught. There is no proof of any of this that stands up to reasonable scrutiny.
The moon's light is cold. You can magnify the sun's light to cause fire. The moon's light can be magnified to cool water. The nature of the lights is not the same, ergo they do not have the same source, as God describes in Genesis (i.e. 2 lights, not 1 light and a reflector).
The earth is 99.9% flat. Most our maps are flat.
We currently refer to "sunrise and sunset" which
shows that scientists at Nasa today think the
sun is orbiting earth. Or it's possible that language
and illustrations are useful first, accurate second.
But that isn't what happens thus the earth is not flat.
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