First Showing of "The Passion" Today

[Higher Truth]

I saw it a bunch of times. The more times you watch it , the worse it gets. It is scripturally, historically, and linguistically inaccurate. Okay.......fire away....

 

[Trish1947]

My opinion and no debate. I found myself in tears, and apologizing for MY sins that sent Him to the cross. There could have been every ethnic person represented in this film, and all I could think about as a Christian was, I did this. I did this to Him. You dont assess blame to any one but the person watching the film which was me. I dont think the blame is being placed on any group of people at all. This film goes into the very marrow and heart of each persons blame. We all take the blame for our sinful state that took him to the cross. At least I do. And by what I read, so does just about every body else that sees it. The only blame there is, is the fallen human race.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I saw the movie today and I would like to say something.

As a non-Jewish person I would like to give my honest opinion about this movie and the claims that it will spark anti-semitism. First and foremost I will say that anyone who takes on an attitude of hatred toward Jewish people as a result of this movie is NOT Christian. Hatred is against the teachings of Christ, end of story. The ignorant people who put that stupid sign up outside their church reading "Jews killed Jesus" better get a clue because they are missing the fact that THEY killed Jesus, we all did!

I am not going to sugar coat the fact that I was very angry at the Jewish leaders in this movie, however, I was even more angry at the pigs (Roman soldiers) who beat Jesus so brutally. Nothing can top the agony I felt because of my own guilt. I think I was most angry at me.

I did notice that at the very end of the movie the main Jewish leader who had been speaking against Jesus throughout the film seemed to be remorseful in the scene in the temple after the floor split. I think IMO that he realized at that moment that Jesus had been who he claimed to have been.

Now, I will tell you how I feel about Jewish people right now. Exactly that same way I did before I walked into the movie. I feel sorry for the ones who live the holiest lives they can, following all of the laws, walking to the temple on Saturdays, some not even making coffee because you cannot operate any type of appliance on Sabbath. They are such good people and they do all of these things for God. I feel bad for them because it is my opinion that they continue to wait for a messiah who has already come.

I wonder why they do not see that it will be impossible for their messiah to be betrayed over 30 sheckles of silver as we do not even use this type of currency anymore. Their messiah would not be crucified by being nailed to a tree, and they certainly wouldn't be able to trace him to the house of David anymore, at least it would be highly improbable to be able to do that at this point in time. These were the prophesies for their messiah, among many others that in this day and age would sound even more unlikely than the ones I mentioned.

I pray for them every single day that something will speak to them and soften their hearts, that they will know Him. I don't have hate for anyone. I blame ME for Jesus' crucifixion. I walked out of that theater so guilty and ashamed of the fact that I myself have denied Jesus more times than Peter! Maybe not in the same way but with my actions. I have disobeyed Jesus' commandment to love my neighbor as He has loved me in thought and deed, more times than there are stars in the sky!

Today is a bittersweet day. I have no doubt that there will be many ignorant people who will decide to take issue with "The Jews" my only hope is that people will realize that it is themselves they need to take issue with. Maybe they can take a good look at their lives and the sin they continue to live in.

Someone said in another thread that Jewish people will need prayer in the days to come. I agree and will be praying.


I know there will be people here who will disagree with some of what I have said. I guess I just wanted to be among the first to say that I do not harbor any negative feelings toward Jewish people after seeing this movie. I hope many more will share my feelings. God Bless you all and His peace be with you.



Christy

 

[Andre]

I just saw it tonight, It's amazing, I didn't think it would impact me as much as it did, I cryied like a baby throughout the movie, I don't think it potraits a bad picture of Jews in general, it kinda pictures the Jewish priests (Pharises?) as the bad guys, but the guy that helps Jesus carry the cross is Jew and he shows a lot of compassion for Christ. It's just a great movie, the best movie I've ever seen, it shows how much Christ suffered for my sin, and it'll make think twice about sinning again.
The whole theater would start crying at the same time on the most touching scenes, you could hear people cleaning their noses all over the place, some were weeping, doesn't feel like a movie.

 

[Linda8]

During the Roman occupation more than one-quarter million Jews were crucified by the Romans, but only One rose from the dead.


Could someone please explain what this means?

Thanks.

 

[blessed2]

I didn't realize that you had already seen the movie, I guess we both saw something different. My concern here is for any outbreak of Anti-semitism because of this movie, I must say it is rather disconcerting to find that you are challenging me on that , especially in this forum. I am sure that Mr Gibson had he known your lean towards his portrayal might have used you on his satallite interview a few weeks back.

Why is there so much worry and anger?
A jewish man in an interview today said that Jewish people and Christians are viewing
2 different movies.....The Jewish people are are seeing "The Jews killed J-sus" and Christians are seeing "Chr-st died because of me".
I think I must agree at least in part.
I am surely not responsible for what any anglo person may have done 2000 years ago anymore than any Jewish person today responsible for a handful if that did then either...and not to forget that the things that happened was exactly as it was meant to.
The penalty for sin is death and by His death, our debt was paid.
Any person who is anti-semitic is not a Christian reguardless of how much they proclaim to be. How can you hate Jews and worship one too?
I just wish that Jewish people would understand that true christians do not condone those negative attitudes and to assume that we will take that attitude "The Jews Killed J-sus" is every bit as wrong as someone who actually would have that attitude.
This movie is showing NO NEW THING. Nothing that we don't read in the scriptures (that were written by Jews) daily. The only difference is that everything up til this point have been sanitized of the true violence that was inflicted upon Him and that He willingly suffered for us.
I pray that there is no anti-semitic backlash from this movie but if there is, those who truely follow Chr-st will be with you, not against you.

 

[blessed2]

so that those who desire to use the film to incite hatred toward the Jews would be deterred. This could well turn any controversy between Christians and Jews into compassionate understanding

Those who desire to incite hatred towards Jews are not Christian!

 

[ubermandy]

The ignorant people who put that stupid sign up outside their church reading "Jews killed Jesus" better get a clue because they are missing the fact that THEY killed Jesus, we all did!

By the way, the name of that church is Loving Way United Pentecostal Church in Denver, CO.

I looked up their phone number on yellowpages.com, and called, but their voice mail is full. I'm sure their number will be disconnected before I get the chance to tell them how heinous their actions were, but I'll keep trying.
I don't think they can change their address that easily, though.
Mandy

 

[Christy4Christ]

By the way, the name of that church is Loving Way United Pentecostal Church in Denver, CO.

I looked up their phone number on yellowpages.com, and called, but their voice mail is full. I'm sure their number will be disconnected before I get the chance to tell them how heinous their actions were, but I'll keep trying.
I don't think they can change their address that easily, though.
Mandy

All I can say is "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

 

[ShirChadash]

"Loving Way United Pentecostal Church"


Man. The irony of that is unfathomable.

 

[The Thadman]

For my own study, I took notes during the movie (mostly about the language, but many on the Jewish portrayal, itself). In terms of anti-Semitism, I noted that the crowd was only incited to jeering when the priests spoke first. When they led Jesus out, away from the priests' jeering, the Jewish people away from the center of town saw this travesty and were begging the Romans to stop, and asking why it was happening.

I also only noticed that the only place where tzitziyot appeared was in a brief flashback to the Sermon On The Mount.

All in all it was a good movie

Shlomo,
-Steve-o

 

[Higher Truth]

Did anyone notice all of the Catholic imagery in the film? Here is an interesting article:


http://www.newsday.com/entertainmen...,0,2729619.story?coll=ny-entertainment-bigpix

 

[blessed2]

I noted that the crowd was only incited to jeering when the priests spoke first. When they led Jesus out, away from the priests' jeering, the Jewish people away from the center of town saw this travesty and were begging the Romans to stop, and asking why it was happening.

I'm reading a book called "Who removed the Stone" which brings up several valid points, one being:
that of the unusual way in which He was arrest...quickly and at night, which aided in avoiding the crowds, tried, convicted and sent to the cross very early in the morning. Remember at that time communication was slow as there were no
telephones and such so news had to travel via word of mouth which would account for so few followers at the scene of the crucifiction of which there were 9...only 7 which can be named. By the time He was crucified, most people were only then recieving the news of the arrest.

 

[Andre]

I'm reading a book called "Who removed the Stone" which brings up several valid points, one being:
that of the unusual way in which He was arrest...quickly and at night, which aided in avoiding the crowds, tried, convicted and sent to the cross very early in the morning. Remember at that time communication was slow as there were no
telephones and such so news had to travel via word of mouth which would account for so few followers at the scene of the crucifiction of which there were 9...only 7 which can be named. By the time He was crucified, most people were only then recieving the news of the arrest.

This point out to this... http://www.christianforums.com/showthread.php?p=1853334#post1853334 .

 

[theseed]

I saw the movie and it is clear that most of the cruelty is seen by the Romans. I also point out that Jospeh of Arimethia was on the Sandredrin, and he did not vote against Jesus.

Was Pilate miss poratrayed? We know that he had to please Rome and prevent another uprising.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I think the trouble is that alot of people who do not know the gospels will not understand that Pilate was actually torn between the vision/dream his wife had and warned him about, and the fact that if there was anymore unrest Ceasar would have had his ***. He sort of had to respond in the way he did. I think it was an accurate account based on the circumstances that surrounded in incident.

I also think an important point is this; although the Jewish leaders in the movie were not seen as very nice people by any means, at least you understood what their reason for having so much hatred toward Jesus was. They honestly thought he was guilty of blasphemy and that he was trying to lead the people to worship him, a false God in their eyes. On the contrary the Roman soldiers were just animals! They were just down right disgusting, and what reason did THEY have??? I explained this to a Jewish friend of mine that asked me earlier.

Another thing I have noticed about this movie is that it seems to be opening dialogue between Jewish and Christians, I don't just mean on television and all the heated interviews. I mean in everyday life. It seems that with this movie being the center of attention right now, people are able to talk openly to each other. I don't think that has ever happened in history. I have had three different conversations today with Jewish people as a direct result of this movie. All three of the conversations were fruitful in the fact that we didn't feel uncomfortable discussing it. To me that is progress.

 

[theseed]

I would like to add that it was Pharisees and not just Jews that dropped thier stones in the scenewith the women caught in adultery.

 

[blessed2]

Was Pilate miss poratrayed? We know that he had to please Rome and prevent another uprising.

Pilate was by all historical accounts a very brutal man however that morning, his wife sent him an urgent message saying " do not touch this rightious man. I have suffered many things this day because of dreams of Him."
This is why, I believe, that he continually tried to get out of crucifying Him....and probly meeting the Chr-st in the flesh as well.
Pilate aquitted Him 3 times, held out Barabas?, even tried to pitch the affair over to Herod then in the end "washed his hands of it."
I think the fear for him(Pilate) was when the priests started shouting "you are no friend of Ceasar's"

 

[theseed]

Yes, all those things are in the Gospel accounts.

 

[Christy4Christ]

Pilate was by all historical accounts a very brutal man however that morning, his wife sent him an urgent message saying " do not touch this rightious man. I have suffered many things this day because of dreams of Him."
This is why, I believe, that he continually tried to get out of crucifying Him....and probly meeting the Chr-st in the flesh as well.
Pilate aquitted Him 3 times, held out Barabas?, even tried to pitch the affair over to Herod then in the end "washed his hands of it."
I think the fear for him(Pilate) was when the priests started shouting "you are no friend of Ceasar's"

This is correct, it is unfortunate that many people just do not know this story. That is why people are saying Pilate was misrepresented in the movie.