You're honestly saying that non-family members will never be denied visitation to a person?
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Again, can you cite a law that makes it that way? And for what it's worth I don't even beilieve what you're saying is true. I've visited completely unrelated people in the hospital and I've had visits from unrelated people. Sounds like a red herring indeed
Well, I have asked you for a law that prevents homosexuals from hospital visitations, and you can't cite one. I asked you for a law that protects heterosexuals' rights to hospital visitation, and you can't produce it. So it certainly appears that things don't work the way that YOU think they doI dont think things work the way you think they do Mach.
I'm saying that I'm not aware of any law that prevents such visitation and I'm saying that my experience suggests you are mistaken
it's wiki, so the usual disclaimers apply.from article said:In cases of medical emergency, where a person is incapable (either legally because of age or mental infirmity, or because they are unconscious) of making decisions for themselves and they have no spouse or children, medical decisions can be made by the next of kin in preference to the wishes of medical personnel.
The inability of persons who are not in a legal marriage to make decisions with respect to the care of a live-in partner have resulted in many jurisdictions giving live-in partners rights equivalent to a spouse in such situations, even though most jurisdictions still do not require non-spouses to be made beneficiaries of estates (it is improper in most jurisdictions to disinherit a spouse). The inability of same-sex partners to have rights with respect to a partner's medical care or funeral arrangements over and above those of the next of kin is one of the main reasons behind litigation to require same-sex marriage or its equivalent.
uh, no. lol
Regardless of laws, people are denied rights not only by the govt, but also by institutions supported by govt.
You think that there are laws concerning every little tick tock of society? Of course not; life would SUCK if there was a law concerning every facet of society here, there everywhere; that'd be a dictatorship, I suppose, a place you might enjoy living in, but I doubt it.
all I know is, if I'm a lesbian, and my partner is dying in the ICU, I cannot visit her, even if I am the closest 'next of kin' because legally we are not family; the law says only couples of different sex can get married, and the hospital POLICY says only close families can visit each other if theyre dying.
Law, and policy interact with each other, but in no way are the same thing.
I don't know what you're arguing for Mach; but it seems kinda twisted if you AGREE with a hospital's decision to deny visitation to one's partner simply bc they aren't legally related to each other. Its not only twisted, its a bit depraved.
Seems like you're [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing about nothing, I've had friends in the hospital and was given NO trouble seeing them. Car accidents, or even just seeing them after an operation that wasn't life threatening.
uh, no. lol
Regardless of laws, people are denied rights not only by the govt, but also by institutions supported by govt.
You think that there are laws concerning every little tick tock of society? Of course not; life would SUCK if there was a law concerning every facet of society here, there everywhere; that'd be a dictatorship, I suppose, a place you might enjoy living in, but I doubt it.
all I know is, if I'm a lesbian, and my partner is dying in the ICU, I cannot visit her, even if I am the closest 'next of kin' because legally we are not family; the law says only couples of different sex can get married, and the hospital POLICY says only close families can visit each other if theyre dying.
Law, and policy interact with each other, but in no way are the same thing.
I don't know what you're arguing for Mach; but it seems kinda twisted if you AGREE with a hospital's decision to deny visitation to one's partner simply bc they aren't legally related to each other. Its not only twisted, its a bit depraved.
hmmm how about if the next of kin decides they don't want the same sex partner allowed access to the patient? I've seen that happen a couple of times (not lately, a while ago)
seen this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_of_kin
it's wiki, so the usual disclaimers apply.
tulc(who preferred the Swayze movie himself)
These are all issues that can be dealt with using a little forethought, so nobody's rights are being violated. Everyone is being treated equallyWere I in a life or death situation, my parents or sibbling could step in as next of kin, and counter our wishes (in the US) and I would have no say. They trump my relationship, which is not recognized. Were I his wife, I would have the ability to make the decision. By banning gay marriage, you protect this injustice. Why? Does it make you marriage any stronger? Does it make a society that is concerned about their neighbor? Does it serve God to see things like this?
As this progresses, however, things are changing. Kids today have a very different view of homosexuality, have GayStraightAliances in High School, know gay parents and friends, etc. I think gay marriage is now just a matter of time, but its so strange to be in Canada, and see the US look decades behind.
Seems like you're [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing about nothing, I've had friends in the hospital and was given NO trouble seeing them. Car accidents, or even just seeing them after an operation that wasn't life threatening.
These are all issues that can be dealt with using a little forethought, so nobody's rights are being violated. Everyone is being treated equally
Seems like you're [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ing about nothing, I've had friends in the hospital and was given NO trouble seeing them. Car accidents, or even just seeing them after an operation that wasn't life threatening.
These are all issues that can be dealt with using a little forethought, so nobody's rights are being violated. Everyone is being treated equally
In 1997, the General Accounting Office of the Federal Government compiled a list of 1,049 rights and benefits which were related to civil marriage. In 2004 they did an update and found there were 1138 rights. The list includes thirteen categories of rights and benefits, including:
Social Security and Related Programs, Housing, and Food Stamps
Veterans' Benefits
Taxation
Federal Civilian and Military Service Benefits
Employment Benefits and Related Laws
Immigration, Naturalization, and Aliens
Trade, Commerce, and Intellectual Property
Financial Disclosure and Conflict of Interest
These are all issues that can be dealt with using a little forethought, so nobody's rights are being violated. Everyone is being treated equally
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