Firearms

[d0c markus]

In the New Forum Suggestions Forum, i reccomended that a new forum be created under hobbies that would be dedicated to firearms/and shooting as a hobby and sport. It has met with certain asinine comments stating that "guns are evil." and caused Erwin to state that I was the only one in support of such a place.

I was hoping you could show your support

http://www.christianforums.com/t873554

Oh yea... Hunting Season is coming up... i suggested that a forum be created for that as well in the same thread, if you like to hunt and would like to share your trophy buck with the rest of us, feel free to mention that as well.

 

[Sybaris]

Well I was going to support it and cast my vote but it seems censorship has raised it's ugly head again.

Funny, there's no problem with people starting a thread about cars which kill over 64,000 people in the U.S. a year but mention a gun and it gets locked up.

Ignorance kills.

 

[d0c markus]

Well I was going to support it and cast my vote but it seems censorship has raised it's ugly head again.

Funny, there's no problem with people starting a thread about cars which kill over 64,000 people in the U.S. a year but mention a gun and it gets locked up.

Ignorance kills.

Indeed it has. All the arguments against the forum were repudiated but 'guns are evil' or didnt you know that?

I also find it funny that the reasons for not opening it evolved. It went from "no support" to basically "will we have the mods to mod it"... they have the mods, but i believe the decision was made from post 1, no matter the large support or the arguments against asinine comments that 'guns are evil' or the like to not open it.

 

[fallen^sparrow]

The real problem is that Christian Forums is such an international website... and "gun lovin" is pretty much an exclusively American phenomenon. The internet is full of pro-gun websites and discussion forums... I'm not really sure another one is really needed. As far as "guns being evil" I don't really think thats fair to say. However an argument for "guns are often the tool of evil" isn't too far off the mark. The majority of the worlds guns are used as weapons and not for "sporting" purposes. If the majority of cars were being built to chase down and run over people I can see a comparison being made. Facts are firearms were designed initially and purposefully to kill humans... and that fact hasn't changed today. So I can really respect Erwins decision not to include a gun specific forum on a site designed to express Christ's love and spread the gospel for people worldwide. There's a time and a place for everything... this isn't it for guns IMHO.

fallen^sparrow

 

[Sybaris]

The real problem is that Christian Forums is such an international website... and "gun lovin" is pretty much an exclusively American phenomenon. The internet is full of pro-gun websites and discussion forums... I'm not really sure another one is really needed. As far as "guns being evil" I don't really think thats fair to say. However an argument for "guns are often the tool of evil" isn't too far off the mark. The majority of the worlds guns are used as weapons and not for "sporting" purposes. If the majority of cars were being built to chase down and run over people I can see a comparison being made. Facts are firearms were designed initially and purposefully to kill humans... and that fact hasn't changed today. So I can really respect Erwins decision not to include a gun specific forum on a site designed to express Christ's love and spread the gospel for people worldwide. There's a time and a place for everything... this isn't it for guns IMHO.

fallen^sparrow

A gun, just like a car, is a tool. Used carelessly physical injury may result. The majority of gun owners have never injured themselves or anyone else in the use or collection of their firearms. The same can't be said for car owners.

There's a spot beside the road not 1/4 mile from my house with 2 big crosses and 5 tiny ones. Seems a woman grew weary of life and motherhood and took her car north in the southbound lane, obvious results. Right across the road from my house is a pair of crosses representing a couple drunken teenagers who met an oak.

Either willfully or through negligence the results are the same regardless of intended design.

 

[Billnew]

However an argument for "guns are often the tool of evil" isn't too far off the mark. The majority of the worlds guns are used as weapons and not for "sporting" purposes.

fallen^sparrow

This is true

But when evil has a gun, laws alone can't stop em.
A gun is needed.(kind of fight fire with fire)

Evil governments with total control of guns are even worse then the U.S. death toll with allowing citizens to have guns.
At least people have a chance to fight back if they are armed.

 

[Hound]

I am a gun-owner. I was raised in a safe and healthy home where firearms are to be respected as dangerous but useful.

If they come for me, I will meet them at the door.

 

[daveleau]

I'd post there from time to time.

 

[Glaz]

The real problem is that Christian Forums is such an international website... and "gun lovin" is pretty much an exclusively American phenomenon.
fallen^sparrow

Well, according to 'Bowling For Columbine', theres over 7 million privately owned guns in Canada, so maybe you want to rethink that comment.

I don't see a problem with having an 'outdoorsman' type forum. Fishing, hunting, etc.

 

[fallen^sparrow]

There already is an "Outdoors and Nature" forum in the Hobbies section Soupy. We have discussed hunting in that forum as you can see... with limited interest shown.

On the other topic Canada doesn't the same gun culture that is present in the States. Come up here and have a look if you doubt my take on the issue. The only time you'll see a firearm is during our relatively short fall and spring hunting seasons... and even then you have to be pretty lucky to even stumble across a another hunter. Our firearm ranges are empty 95% of the time I've been to them... and there's only a handful of our 30 million population who actually shoot competitively. I believe the majority of our "7 million" firearms are old mom'n'pop hand-me-downs sitting in closets and gun cases. Gun shops here are barely scraping now that the new gun/ammo licensing regulations have kicked in. How many Canadian pro-gun websites/forums can you find online? ... Canadiangunnutz.com and a handful a few private clubs/businesses and personal webpages. Compare that to the immense American pro-gun presence online. There's really no comparison to American gun culture and Canadian... we have non, lol.

fallen^sparrow

 

[Glaz]

There already is an "Outdoors and Nature" forum in the Hobbies section Soupy. We have discussed hunting in that forum as you can see... with limited interest shown.

On the other topic Canada doesn't the same gun culture that is present in the States. Come up here and have a look if you doubt my take on the issue. The only time you'll see a firearm is during our relatively short fall and spring hunting seasons... and even then you have to be pretty lucky to even stumble across a another hunter. Our firearm ranges are empty 95% of the time I've been to them... and there's only a handful of our 30 million population who actually shoot competitively. I believe the majority of our "7 million" firearms are old mom'n'pop hand-me-downs sitting in closets and gun cases. Gun shops here are barely scraping now that the new gun/ammo licensing regulations have kicked in. How many Canadian pro-gun websites/forums can you find online? ... Canadiangunnutz.com and a handful a few private clubs/businesses and personal webpages. Compare that to the immense American pro-gun presence online. There's really no comparison to American gun culture and Canadian... we have non, lol.

fallen^sparrow

Thats not what you said though, you said that it was only an American phenomenon. Don't try and change your tune with the liberal 2 step. You have a gun for roughly 1 out of 4 Canadians. Thats pretty gun crazy in my opinion.

Your right about the outdoors forum though, we don't really need it.

 

[fallen^sparrow]

Yep... thats what I said. We have guns... but by in large they are treated and used as tools, and not entertainment devices. Thats the difference. Come up here and count how many guns you see on a typical evening of Canadian based television or Canadian produced movies? (Personally I don't watch either... primarily because there isn't any guns... only American prime time for me baby!)

fallen^sparrow

 

[daidhaid]

a gun thread would be fine by me.
after all gun control is hitting what you shoot at.

 

[d0c markus]

as we are told to write our congressman when we want them to carry out the public's will... i too encourage you to write Erwin and tell him what you think he should do...