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Beyond our current ability to measure is very different than unquantifiable. We quantified all manner of things in science before having the technological ability to measure it directly.
Same ones that she can apply to a multiverse. If events in a prior universe triggered the big bang, that would likewise be impossible for us to measure since it lies outside our timeline. However, she is applying demands to that type of scenario that she excuses a divine creator from.So where a outs in the universe are you expecting to find God, so that you can start performing your measurements upon him?
An Intelligent Being that is eternal, non-physical and not created by the natural world is not explained by the natural world, the natural world is explained by Him.Same ones that she can apply to a multiverse. If events in a prior universe triggered the big bang, that would likewise be impossible for us to measure since it lies outside our timeline. However, she is applying demands to that type of scenario that she excuses a divine creator from.
In that case:An Intelligent Being that is eternal, non-physical and not created by the natural world is not explained by the natural world, the natural world is explained by Him.
In that case:
Laws of physics that are eternal, non-physical and not created by the natural world are not explained by the natural world, the natural world is explained by them.
It doesn't. The point of this thread is demonstrating that the same logic that gets you to a fine tuner for the laws of nature also get you to a fine tuner for God. The same logic that can get you apparent fine tuning for one without some entity dialing in the numbers can likewise excuse the other.So how does that affect the fact that they seem to be fine tuned?
It doesn't. The point of this thread is demonstrating that the same logic that gets you to a fine tuner for the laws of nature also get you to a fine tuner for God.
We have no comparable data for anything that preceded the big bang, or anything outside of our light cone.Except that it doesn't. because we have no comparable data relating to God.
Why would the Laws of Physics be eternal and being laws where did they originate?In that case:
Laws of physics that are eternal, non-physical and not created by the natural world are not explained by the natural world, the natural world is explained by them.
How does logic exist without an intelligence? The universal laws of physics are not physical but non-physical rational phenomena.It doesn't. The point of this thread is demonstrating that the same logic that gets you to a fine tuner for the laws of nature also get you to a fine tuner for God. The same logic that can get you apparent fine tuning for one without some entity dialing in the numbers can likewise excuse the other.
We have no comparable data for anything that preceded the big bang, or anything outside of our light cone.
Eternal would mean they didn't originate. They could exist outside of time like God does.Why would the Laws of Physics be eternal and being laws where did they originate?
And we could postulate millions of types of gods. Whole pantheons even!So? We can still use mathematics to project backwards and forwards in time, and to observe what happens when the values of the fundamental constants are messed around with a bit.
Are you saying God isnt intelligent?How does logic exist without an intelligence? The universal laws of physics are not physical but non-physical rational phenomena.
Nope, you quoted a few sources with wildly conflicting numbers.You asked for calculations for how they determine the fine tuning, that is what I gave you.
How dare you question the fine-tuning power of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. She's obviously the reason the Christian God is so fine tuned.Lot of special pleading goin on in here....
Same questions for your god(s).Why would the Laws of Physics be eternal and being laws where did they originate?
Unfortunately, IPU would also need to be fine tuned by something even more fine tuned, by something still yet more fine tuned.How dare you question the fine-tuning power of the Invisible Pink Unicorn. She's obviously the reason the Christian God is so fine tuned.
No it wouldn't!!!1!!1!Unfortunately, IPU would also need to be fine tuned by something even more fine tuned, by something still yet more fine tuned.
And we could postulate millions of types of gods. Whole pantheons even!
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