Finally, some Rational people...

[Notedstrangeperson]

Clearly you are hard-pressed to convert me to your same black and white view of the world. (For the record, a difference of opinions are what help keep us alive. Without a melting pot of opposing beliefs, it becomes very easy for a corrupt power to take over. You can see instances of this all throughout history.)

I had an experience similar to yours Blackrend - I went on RDF (RichardDawkinsForum) and started a thread called "Criticism of Atheism". Go on - see it you can find it.
I later said "Dawkins thinks all theists are fool" and backed it up with a few quotes. Then I got B&. I don't know whether to be proud of myself or not.

When I complained that the other users were being nasty (I hate the fact you can't swear on this forum . . .) they said "Well what did you expect on an atheist site?"

But - what's the point of putting "Criticisms of Atheism" on a religious website? Or vice-versa? For asspats?

It's kinda stupid to try and convert people over the 'net - conversion to God means actually meeting the guy. So to the other users: don't start a flame war. You're gonna look as bad as the RDF posse - and they have NO sense of humour.

Seriously though, I appologize for trolling. It was a waste of my time and yours, and it wont happen again =\

What? No youtube videos? No neckbeard and moobs? No inflated ego and sense of superiority?
You disappoint me.

 

[Blackrend]

I had an experience similar to yours Blackrend - I went on RDF (RichardDawkinsForum) and started a thread called "Criticism of Atheism". Go on - see it you can find it.

Believe me when I say that you have plenty of reasons to criticize Atheists. Far too many of us seem to take on TAA's attitude, who delights in spreading insults and profanity as a means of conveying his hatred of religion. I've met these sort of people in real life... They're angry, miserable, and no fun to be around: The "typical Atheist", as society knows it. These people are so overly willing to criticize religion, yet they don't seem to find anything critical about their own radical viewpoints. In fact, part of understanding something better is being critical of it... examining ALL of its aspects, rather than looking through biased eyes.

Unfortunately, not enough people are exposed to the lighter side of Atheism. There are lots of friendly, humble, knowledgeable people who consider themselves Atheists, yet gain a bad reputation because how the 'typical Atheist' acts.

I later said "Dawkins thinks all theists are fool" and backed it up with a few quotes. Then I got B&. I don't know whether to be proud of myself or not.

As much as I respect Mr. Dawkins for his intelligence and the amazing work that he does, there are aspects of his personality that I'm not horribly thrilled with. He deals in that area of 'black or white' which I tend to avoid... That zone of 'absolutism'. As you probably know, he feels that NO religion should be given any form of respect, while I heartily disagree. I have nothing ill against the mildly religious and theistic evolutionists. However, I fully agree with Dawkins that Fundamentalism and the indoctrination of children are wicked, and should be viewed with total scrutiny.

When I complained that the other users were being nasty (I hate the fact you can't swear on this forum . . .) they said "Well what did you expect on an atheist site?"

I hate to say it, but they're right. Then again, what did I expect from a Fundie site?

What? No youtube videos? No neckbeard and moobs? No inflated ego and sense of superiority?
You disappoint me.

Lol, sorry to disappoint. I'll try harder to conform to my stereotype.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

I hate to say it, but they're right. Then again, what did I expect from a Fundie site?

Haha! True!

 

[bobguk]

Hi everyone,

I seem to have a reasonably reliable connection at (very) long last, so I thought that I would delurk.

I saw XCRUNNER71's video (no, I did not listen to it for more than a few moments; I've heard one pseudo spiritual gospel ditty and thus have heard them all. Besides, I am diabetic and I don't want to send my saccarine level through the roof.)

However, I saw the - interesting - cloud shot right at the start of the video. Whoever photoshopped that image has been scooped by Saxon stonemasons who came up with the idea at least 1,000 years ago.

What you have there is a Sheela Na Gig. They can be found on many old English churches, although many are very weathered and hard to make out. I can't post a URL, this being my first post, but if you go to 'www' '.' 'sheelanagig' '.' 'org' you will get a site with details of these carvings. For the best, most distinct and most famous, see the one at Kilpeck church.

Bob

 

[Army of Juan]

I've done lots of reading at many different places.

One thing that I have found nearly always true, agnostics are very talented and adept at expressing themselves with all manner of cursing, and are mostly depressed and lash out at the Lord for their general angst.

If an agnostic "lashed out at the Lord for their general angst" then they wouldn't be agnostic, they'd just be a rebellious theist.

 

[atomweaver]

I had an experience similar to yours Blackrend - I went on RDF (RichardDawkinsForum) and started a thread called "Criticism of Atheism". Go on - see it you can find it.

Here is notedstrangeperson's thread, for those willing to dive in (forewarning its a big'un... 41 pages) ;

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=35785

 

[Cabal]

Here is notedstrangeperson's thread, for those willing to dive in (forewarning its a big'un... 41 pages) ;

http://www.richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=35785

Yikes. No wonder you got stick for it. I would have definitely fleshed out / omitted some of those points....

 

[atomweaver]

Yikes. No wonder you got stick for it. I would have definitely fleshed out / omitted some of those points....

Dude, no kidding, on page one alone, I'm finding

"atheism contributed to the mass murders in Soviet Russia and French Revolutions"

"some significant fraction of atheists believe as they do as a result of child abuse"

etc

Something tells me that there were likely a few more exchanges after page 1, and before your "Dawkins thinks all theists are fools" comment. If every page is like page 1, they showed plenty of patience in giving you 41 pages...

And by the looks of the mod's last post on page 41, that particular thread only got you a one-week suspension... So what other threads did you post in?

 

[TheReasoner]

Dude, no kidding, on page one alone, I'm finding

"atheism contributed to the mass murders in Soviet Russia and French Revolutions"

"some significant fraction of atheists believe as they do as a result of child abuse"

etc

Something tells me that there were likely a few more exchanges after page 1, and before your "Dawkins thinks all theists are fools" comment. If every page is like page 1, they showed plenty of patience in giving you 41 pages...

And by the looks of the mod's last post on page 41, that particular thread only got you a one-week suspension... So what other threads did you post in?

To be perfectly honest I haven't read that thread.
However, the quotes you cite are common enough the other way around "Christianity contributed to/caused the" *insert atrocity*
It doesn't make it neither right nor wrong. The ideology - atheism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. - is used to coax people into hatred and whatever else is needed.
It is extremely foolish and shortsighted to claim that either atheism or christianity have been the major player in any genocide or other atrocity. They have both been used to justify it, sure. But they are not the source. Completely different things are. Even if joe average believes fervently that God told him to kill, or that all religion must die, this belief does not spring forth from neither Christianity nor Atheism in and of itself.

 

[Vene]

To be perfectly honest I haven't read that thread.
However, the quotes you cite are common enough the other way around "Christianity contributed to/caused the" *insert atrocity*
It doesn't make it neither right nor wrong. The ideology - atheism, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. - is used to coax people into hatred and whatever else is needed.
It is extremely foolish and shortsighted to claim that either atheism or christianity have been the major player in any genocide or other atrocity. They have both been used to justify it, sure. But they are not the source. Completely different things are. Even if joe average believes fervently that God told him to kill, or that all religion must die, this belief does not spring forth from neither Christianity nor Atheism in and of itself.

Even more so, it doesn't mean that it's false. Morality doesn't determine what is and what isn't. It's a useless discussion that makes both sides angry. Guess what, there are moral people from every group, and immoral people from every group.

 

[TheReasoner]

Even more so, it doesn't mean that it's false. Morality doesn't determine what is and what isn't. It's a useless discussion that makes both sides angry. Guess what, there are moral people from every group, and immoral people from every group.

Mneeeh. Not sure I agree with you on the first point. I think that a man can - if he so wishes - twist absolutely anything into something to kill for. From a concept no more complex than simple algebra to religious and political ideologies promoting peace and pacifism. It may seem weird to think of a pacifistic mass murderer, but I am sure that if pacifism ever became mainstream and gathered enough followers, we'd see a pacifistic Hitler. Impossible you say?
Well. Many enough have hated and killed in the name of the God who said "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "do not kill".

 

[samiam]

I just came back from RaptureReady.

Just to make sure we're going to the same place: You're talking about http://rr-bb.com, aren't you?

 

[Blackrend]

Just to make sure we're going to the same place: You're talking about http://rr-bb.com, aren't you?

Yes. *shudder*

 

[Vene]

Mneeeh. Not sure I agree with you on the first point. I think that a man can - if he so wishes - twist absolutely anything into something to kill for. From a concept no more complex than simple algebra to religious and political ideologies promoting peace and pacifism. It may seem weird to think of a pacifistic mass murderer, but I am sure that if pacifism ever became mainstream and gathered enough followers, we'd see a pacifistic Hitler. Impossible you say?
Well. Many enough have hated and killed in the name of the God who said "Love your neighbor as yourself" and "do not kill".

I think you missed the point. I'm trying to say, that even if something is unpleasant or even immoral, it doesn't make it false. It very well could be false, but it has nothing to do with whether or not it is good.

For example. we don't say that cancer doesn't exist because it can kill people. It still is, no matter what we want. The Earth isn't the center of the galaxy, even if it makes some people feel like they are not important.

 

[pgp_protector]

Just to make sure we're going to the same place: You're talking about http://rr-bb.com, aren't you?

I've got about 30 post there so far, really need to post more

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

And by the looks of the mod's last post on page 41, that particular thread only got you a one-week suspension... So what other threads did you post in?

Find it yourself!


To Vene & Faith Guardian

If the "Criticisms of Atheism" thread starts a squabble on ChristianForums I will Laugh Out Loud. All in good humour of course.