Fig Tree and All Other Trees - God's Warning

TribulationSigns · Jun 9, 2018

Douggg said:
That is not true. The Kingdom of Israel is not another name for the Kingdom of God.

I am the one who has quoted the verses concerning my position. You never did since you did not able to gainsay nor resist. Just denying the Word of God I quoted.

TribulationSigns · Jun 9, 2018

Douggg said:
You are being evasive.

I am asking you -
Is your termed New Covenant Church is TS's termed Covenant Israel ?

Can you not give me a straight yes or no? And then if you want give an explanation for your answer.

The answer is right there in the Scripture BAB2 have quoted to you! You are either blind or in denial.

BABerean2 · Jun 9, 2018

Douggg said:
You are being evasive.

I am asking you -
Is your termed New Covenant Church is TS's termed Covenant Israel ?

Can you not give me a straight yes or no? And then if you want give an explanation for your answer.

What I say or what TS says does not really matter.

Please do not judge him based on what I say, and do not judge me based on what he says.

God says the New Covenant Church is the Israel of God in the passages below.

Jer_31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—

Mat_26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar_14:24 And He said to them, "This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.

Luk_22:20 Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

1Co_11:25 In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."

2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Heb_8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

Heb_8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb_9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

Heb_12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Blade · Jun 9, 2018

"what that is really talking about".. allot comes down to what you PERSONALLY believe. Try to let others understand its what YOU personally believe. As I was asking for Him to just say He loved me one night..well.. the short is.. He asks..show me a branch that was not ORIGINALLY of the vine. He then said I am the vine you are the branches.

Well what always still gets to me is.. and I still dont fully understand is what He said.. ORIGINALLY of the vine. We need to see this as HE does ..not as man

Douggg · Jun 9, 2018

Blade said:
"what that is really talking about".. allot comes down to what you PERSONALLY believe. Try to let others understand its what YOU personally believe. As I was asking for Him to just say He loved me one night..well.. the short is.. He asks..show me a branch that was not ORIGINALLY of the vine. He then said I am the vine you are the branches.

Well what always still gets to me is.. and I still dont fully understand is what He said.. ORIGINALLY of the vine. We need to see this as HE does ..not as man

A person's name gets erased from the book of life - if he doesn't do what God says to remove their sins.

In Revelation 3:5, beyond that of what Jesus was specifically saying to the church in Sardis, it appears to me that person's name will be blotted out from the book of life... which means it starts out there, but because of sin gets blotted out.

An interesting note - in Judaism, Jews believe it is part of the human condition to have eternal life built in, except for the extremely wicked. So their argument to counter what Christianity teaches about salvation - going from Judaism's belief they have - is who needs a savior from their sins? They believe it is automatic to have eternal life.

It is no wonder, if a person reviews what Jesus was saying to them in his day and especially to the religious leaders, is trying to convince them that their sin(s) will keep them from inheriting eternal life - if those sins are not taken away. Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

Revelation 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

Douggg · Jun 9, 2018

BABerean2 said:
God says the New Covenant Church is the Israel of God in the passages below.

That's you interpreting those passage to mean that. But that is really not what I am asking.

Is your New Convenant Church, Tribulation Signs' Covenant Israel? You don't believe in Tribulation Signs' Covenant Israel is your New Covenant Church? Why doesn't his terminology apply to your theology?

BABerean2 · Jun 9, 2018

Douggg said:
That's you interpreting those passage to mean that.

No interpretation is really necessary to understand the passage below.

All one needs is basic reading skills.

The Old Testament text is in Uppercase in the NKJV.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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Douggg · Jun 10, 2018

BABerean2 said:
No interpretation is really necessary to understand the passage below.

All one needs is basic reading skills.

The Old Testament text is in Uppercase in the NKJV.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
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I am not seeing anything in the text mentioning your New Covenant Church or that your New Covenant Church is tribulation signs' Covenant Israel.

BABerean2 · Jun 10, 2018

Douggg said:
I am not seeing anything in the text mentioning your New Covenant Church or that your New Covenant Church is tribulation signs' Covenant Israel.

The "Church" is made up of all individuals who have placed their faith in Christ.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
(This was written in the present tense, during the first century.)

Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

The Uppercase text below is a direct quote from the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
Heb 8:13 In that He says, "A NEW COVENANT," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 10:16 "THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND IN THEIR MINDS I WILL WRITE THEM,"
Heb 10:17 then He adds, "THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."
(Once again, the Uppercase text is a direct quote from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.

The New Covenant "church" is found in the passage below.

Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Anyone not wearing blinders can see the word "church" in the passage above, as well as the words "new covenant".
It would require tremendous effort not to see it.

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TribulationSigns · Jun 10, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Anyone not wearing blinders can see the word "church" in the passage above, as well as the words "new covenant".
It would require tremendous effort not to see it.

Actually, it would require the Holy Spirit to open their eyes to the Truth. We merely are witnesses.

Douggg · Jun 10, 2018

BABerean2 said:
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

Anyone not wearing blinders can see the word "church" in the passage above, as well as the words "new covenant".
It would require tremendous effort not to see it.

Which it says in the text church of the firstborn.

What you change that to is new covenant church and TribulationSsigns says your new covenant church is what he calls covenant Israel. Is he right that the church of the firstborn, which you repackage the text to your saying of "new covenant church" - his saying of covenant Israel ?

BABerean2 · Jun 11, 2018

Douggg said:
Which it says in the text church of the firstborn.

What you change that to is new covenant church and TribulationSsigns says your new covenant church is what he calls covenant Israel. Is he right that the church of the firstborn, which you repackage the text to your saying of "new covenant church" - his saying of covenant Israel ?

That is found in the same book in Hebrews 8:6-13.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

It is confirmed by the words of Christ at the Last Supper.

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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Douggg · Jun 11, 2018

BABerean2 said:
That is found in the same book in Hebrews 8:6-13.

Heb 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—

It is confirmed by the words of Christ at the Last Supper.

Mat 26:28 For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The New Covenant: Bob George

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What the new covenant is - is not what I am asking you.

What I am asking you is -

Is TribulationSigns right - that the church of the firstborn, which you repackage the text to your saying of "new covenant church" - his saying of covenant Israel ?

Is this true or not, new covenant church is the covenant Israel ?

BABerean2 · Jun 11, 2018

Douggg said:
What the new covenant is - is not what I am asking you.

What I am asking you is -

Is TribulationSigns right - that the church of the firstborn, which you repackage the text to your saying of "new covenant church" - his saying of covenant Israel ?

Is this true or not, new covenant church is the covenant Israel ?

You seem to be trying to drive a wedge between myself and TS by forcing me to quote him.

That is not necessary, because I have quoted the scripture which plainly reveals the New Covenant with Israel, fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary.

Read Matthew 26:28.

The exact text from the promise of the New Covenant with Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, is found fulfilled word-for-word in Hebrews 8:6-13.

Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel" on the Day of Pentecost, in Acts 2:36.

Paul said he is an "Israelite", even after his conversion, in Romans 11:1.

James addressed his letter to "the 12 tribes", who were his "brethren" in the faith.
Who would that be?

Is the New Covenant Church the Israel of God? Absolutely, based on the passage below.

Gal 6:15 Certainly, it doesn't matter whether a person is circumcised or not. Rather, what matters is being a new creation.
Gal 6:16 Peace and mercy will come to rest on all those who conform to this principle. They are the Israel of God. (GW)

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Douggg · Jun 11, 2018

BABerean2 said:
You seem to be trying to drive a wedge between myself and TS by forcing me to quote him.

You both have foundational positions based upon terms you have created by combining terms from the bible. Not directly in the text.

Your created term New Covenant church - you use as part of a broader theology you hold.

As a futurist and both of you are telling me I wrong, as well as other futurists, we need to know if you yourselves believe each other.

If you believe that what TribulationSigns says is true with his foundational term - with yours, there should be no problem in you saying "yes".

But apparently, you don't think what he says is true, so you can't say yes, regarding his term "covenant Israel" is that of being what your term "New Covenant church" is - and want to avoid it.

What you have written in your post is the term you have created New Covenant church is the Israel of God. Well, what about is the New Covenant church - covenant Israel - in the broader New Covenant theology you hold?

TribulationSigns · Jun 11, 2018

Douggg said:
You both have foundational positions based upon terms you have created by combining terms from the bible. Not directly in the text.

You are being obsessed with the "terms" and "texts" and start listening to Scripture that we quoted.

Like you, many people are listening to historian saying plainly that God had decreed that his temple is destroyed as a punishment for his people, Jews, for rejecting the Messiah.

That is incorrect because God's will was that it be destroyed because it was destroyed, but God punishes His people "by punishing HIS PEOPLE," not by throwing down a pile of physical stones. It is they, "His People," who were the representative as "stones of the Holy Temple" that were cast down as punishment, and it was at the cross. And no one was left standing one upon another since the Kingdom was taken from them and given to another. It wasn't a literal pile of stones in 70 A.D., which of course wasn't God's Holy Temple or Holy City then, and also had left many stones standing one upon another today. The Jews were the builders of the "city and Temple" which is the body of Chris. It already had abominations standing in it since Christ died in 33 A.D., and was already desolate. These things are wisdom and truth that are spiritually discerned, and that the non-spiritual think foolishness.

Psalms 118:22-23

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.
"This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes."

Matthew 21:41-43

"They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.
Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

How is all this any way plausibly ambiguous? God is speaking about Congregation Israel, where Christ was once a cornerstone of their old testament holy Temple that was rejected by the builders, the Jews, and with Him become the NEW cornerstone of the Holy Temple, which is the church, where Gentile believers are NOW the builders of that temple which is upon Christ and the Apostles. They are now the kingdom representative that was taken from Old Testament Israel, they are part of the RESTORATION, a spirtiual house whose builder and maker is God, not construction workers! Get it?! Concerning Gentiles builders:

Ephesians 2:19-21

"Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

THIS is the New Covenant Israel! A Spiritual House of Israel where Gentiles could be the builders of that building! Spiritual speaking. How is it possible NOT to see who the stones were, and who the stones are now of the Holy Temple of God. ...Blindness? Yes, a Holy Temple that fell in 33 A.D. with the rejection of its chief corner stone, and the Holy Temple was restored with the same foundation stone they rejected. Get it?!

Both the destruction of the Holy Temple and its rebuilding is symbolical. Not literal like you thought! As for you futurists, is it not enough to understand that the Jews made the same mistake that the Premillennials, Dispensationalists, and Josephus apologists are making?! You guys are looking to the temporal PHYSICAL buildings as the fulfillment of prophecy of the destruction of the Temple and its rebuilding? Like the Jews, you are blind when Jesus said:

John 2:19-21

"Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
But he spake of the temple of his body."

They, like you, could only see the temporal building, when Christ was speaking about something infinitely more important than a physical stones! Their rejection and destruction of Him "AS" the Temple building, and His restoration of it after three days. You see, the only true Israel, is in Christ Jesus! And we are the church of that Israel. The Church of Israel! The only true rebuilding of the holy city is stones laid upon Christ Jesus as the Jerusalem from above. The only true building of the Holy Temple, are stones laid upon Him as their foundation. The prophecy of the City and Temple falling has NOTHNING to do with a judgment upon a pile of literal stones over 30 years after Christ died, but the sure judgment and punishment of HIS PEOPLE (signifies as stones) in 33 A.D. where not one stone of "that building"was left standing. It was the end of the Old Testament Covenant Church, Israel! Yet, Christ made a NEW Covenant with Israel, and the foundation stone rejected has still become head of the corner. Their Kingdom was taken from "the nation of Israel" and given to another as Christ prophesied. A Temple is built with stones laid upon the apostles and Christ, and it wasn't in 70 A.D. after literal stones fell "proving" its destruction and rebuilding did not speak of that event. The "New Covenant with Israel" is established in the Israel of God, the church. It's not a future event, but a past one.

Jeremiah 31:31-33

"Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people."

It's all one cohesive plan Douggg, the fulfillment of the promise or Covenant to Israel for her restoration, her kingdom, her reign, her promised Savior. Not a future savior and Kingdom, one fulfilled in Christ.

Hebrews 8:13

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away."

Hebrews 12:24

"And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

We, the church, are the restoration! It is Christ rebuilding of the fallen temple in three days after His death, not 70AD! This is the fulfilled New Covenant Israel. This is the prophesied coming and reign of Israel's Messiah and establishment of His Kingdom. But not a temporal one as many then and now expect. He NEVER spoke of ruling in an EARTHLY Kingdom, destroying LITERAL Temples or rebuilding them with LITERAL stones in a temporal home. His kingdom is SPIRITUAL and is an everlasting as prophesied, not earthly or temporal. We are the stones of that rebuilding IN CHRIST according to Scripture! It is up to the Holy Spirit for you to receive this truth else you will be remained blind to Jewish fables like the Old Testament Jews.

In conclusion, For premillennialists and Preterists, Flavius Josephus was a secular historian, not a prophet, so he couldn't explain Christian history if his life depended upon it. And those looking to him and his words to do so, do themselves, Biblical interpretation and the cause of Christ a terrible disservice.

TribulationSigns · Jun 11, 2018

And I like to add that I do live with the truth, not with long standing fables or dreams of a world wide rule in a kingdom that is already world wide and has already come. Many people say Josephus claims that the destruction of a literal Temple was in 70 A.D. and was for the purification of his people? I say in 70 A.D. His people were already purified (in the fire), and the stones of the Old Testament Temple of prophecy had already fallen, and likewise the rebuilding of the city and Temple, with Christ as the chief corner stone, already in full force and have gone into the world after Pentecost in 33AD.

Proverbs 20:9

"Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?"

Only "His People" purified in the blood of Christ can say that. It was Christ, that Holy Temple, who died for the purification of the sins of his people. Not a literal Temple in 70 A.D. designated that role by Josephus. For your information, we (The New Covenant Israel) are the stones of the Holy Temple, we are His Holy People, we are His Holy nation, we are His Holy City, we are His Jews, we are His New Covenant Church, not according to the flesh, but the Spirit. Christians need to start listening to God say Scripture is fulfilled, rather than listening to book authors and the babblings of Josephus.

Acts 15:15-17

"And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things."

I say again, can this be in any way unclear that the prophecy of the fall and restoration of city and sanctuary spoke not of earthly buildings, but symbolic ones, and it spoke of the New Covenant church? Every word of this is clearly confirmed by Scripture, rather than Flavius Josephus. A much more "authoritative" and inerrant source for understanding.

The New Covenant Church and Covenant Israel are the same things in Christ - which represents the rebuilding of tabernacle of David as it is written in Acts 15:15-17 above.

Douggg · Jun 11, 2018

TribulationSigns said:
We, the church, are the restoration! It is Christ rebuilding of the fallen temple in three days after His death, not 70AD! This is the fulfilled New Covenant Israel. This is the prophesied coming and reign of Israel's Messiah and establishment of His Kingdom.

I am waiting for BaB2, to state that his New Covenant Church is your New Covenant Israel - to see if even he agrees with you. And so everyone else here can know what you guys are promoting.

In previous posts, you has said "covenant Israel", so you seem to be changing your tune a little - so BaB2 might find it more acceptable, I guess.

Jesus saying - tear down this temple and I will raise it up, again - he was talking about his resurrection.

You have a lot of twisted ideas.

Jesus is returning to the Mt. of Olives from where he left this world, and the Jews will be saying to him blessed is he who comes in the name Lord.

TribulationSigns · Jun 11, 2018

Douggg said:
I am waiting for BaB2, to state that his New Covenant Church is your New Covenant Israel - to see if even he agrees with you. And so everyone else here can know what you guys are promoting.

In previous posts, you has said "covenant Israel", so you seem to be changing your tune a little - so BaB2 might find it more acceptable, I guess.

What is the matter with you? Who cares what everyone else here thinks. You should focus on what God says! We have quoted you verses and explained it. Yet you offered NOTHING but picking on our use of text or term instead of examine the Scripture yourself. Pathetic that you are spiritually tone deaf to God's Word.

Jesus saying - tear down this temple and I will raise it up, again - he was talking about his resurrection.

Oh brother.

You do not yet have spiritual eyes and ears. Why can't you ever READ all the Scripture we quoted? Don't you get that Christ was talking about Himself as the cornerstone of THAT temple whom the builders (jews) has rejected and destoryed? He is not talking about his physical body, but the "body of the temple" that represented His congregation, his builders, the Jews! To destroy Christ is a SIGN that they themselves brought an end to their kingdom representative which was taken FROM them by GOD and gave to one that Christ is now a chief cornerstone of that building? It already happened when Christ resurrected! It is a SIGN for the Jews! His body NOW represents the CHURCH! Hello! The congregation of Israel has NOT changed, only that her kingdom representative did change which now represents the congregation that allows the Gentiles into SAME covenant Israel under Christ's New Covenant! If you don't see this, then nothing I can do to help you because Holy Spirit has not revealed the truth to you.

You have a lot of twisted ideas.

Of course, because the things of the Spirit of God that I testified appears foolishness to YOU! Why? Because you lack spiritual discernment!

First Corinthians 2:13-14
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Jesus is returning to the Mt. of Olives from where he left this world, and the Jews will be saying to him blessed is he who comes in the name Lord.

You have no idea what Zechariah 14 talked about.

Dave Watchman · Jun 11, 2018

TribulationSigns said:
(Continued from the previous post)

Bla Bla Boring.

TribulationSigns said:
Luke 21:29-31
[29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
You read Joel 1 above to show that all these trees represent those of the house of God.

Nope, dreadful sorry, the context of those Trees was between 1943 and 1952 .

TribulationSigns said:
The fig tree is a spiritual representation of the congregation of Israel.

Nope, The Fig Tree was Israel becoming a nation again in 1948.

TribulationSigns said:
(Continued from the previous post)

No need, three pages of Bla Bla Bla.

Luke 21:29-31
[29] And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
[30] When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh.

The generation that sees this will not pass away until ALL is fulfilled.

Luke said when you see the fig tree and ALL the trees.

"Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth,
ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

Between 1943 and 1952, all of the coun-trees surrounding Israel also became nations again after many years of hyber-nation. All within five years of the Fig-Tree.

Starting from the top and continuing clockwise: Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt.

Lebanon (1943)

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French separated out the region of Lebanon in 1920, and granted this area independence in 1943.

Syria (1946)

Following World War I, France acquired a mandate over the northern portion of the former Ottoman Empire province of Syria. The French administered the area as Syria until granting it independence in 1946.

Jordan (1946)

Following World War I and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, the UK received a mandate to govern much of the Middle East. Britain separated out a semi-autonomous region of Transjordan from Palestine in the early 1920s, and the area gained its independence in 1946; it adopted the name of Jordan in 1950.

Egypt (1952)

Partially independent from the UK in 1922, Egypt acquired full sovereignty with the overthrow of the British-backed monarchy in 1952.

Israel (1948)

Following World War II, Britain withdrew from its mandate of Palestine, and the UN proposed partitioning the area into Arab and Jewish states, an arrangement rejected by the Arabs. Nonetheless, an Israeli state was declared in 1948 and Israel subsequently defeated the Arab armies in a series of wars that did not end deep tensions between the two sides.

From the CIA World Fact Book:

www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/wfbExt/region_mde.html

(Click the name of the country then click "introduction")

I don't think this was a coincidence.

I think the Bible writers knew that the circumstances which would cause the Fig Tree to sprout leaves, would also cause Israel's neighbors to come out in leaf too.

All between the years 1943 and 1952, all within five years of the birth of The Fig Tree in 1948. These trees were not even nations before WW1 they were just parts of the Ottoman Empire and then parts of the British Empire or the French.

See for yourselves and know that summer is almost here.

"And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.

"Then all the trees of the woods will rejoice before the Lord.

For He is coming,
For He is coming to judge the earth.

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