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Fiance was raped and possibly pregnant. (ignore other topic)

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This is now been added to the top of this topic due to negative comments. If you want to post something negative please keep it to yourself and don't respond. This topic was not created as an "Advice" topic or a topic to grill me and my fiance. I am here for support. >.<

Well originally in my other topic I said my fiance had sex with someone. At the time I thought it was straight up sex, I was filling in the blanks and not considering what else might have happened. I had spoken to soon about it without waiting for her to give me detail. Also for those who don't know she is asian and lives in a asian country with her family.

The short of it is she was out getting something to eat. A guy approached her and started talking her. They talked (nothing out of the ordinary). And from that point she says she can't remember much. She does remember him getting her some iced tea (I tell you this for a reason) and then the next thing she knows is that she feels really tired, when I asked her if she meant sleepy, she said she no. She said it felt like she was dizzy, she couldn't explain it in english to well.

As she pointed out what happened next she was crying on skype. She said the next thing she can remember is he was on top of her, but she couldn't really say anything. Like she froze. She remembers crying and wanting him to stop. So I said "Did you feel like you were trapped or scared?". She said she felt so out of it. She doesn't even remember if he at least had a condom on. She just remember crying and crying.

Then she tells me shes a horrible woman and its her fault he did this to her because she froze up and didn't fight back. The more she talked the more it sounded like someone who has been (drugged) and raped. I asked why she did not tell her mom at least about this. She said because her mom is a pastor and expects them to be perfect. She is sacred to tell anyone not only because gossip will spread. And also because she afraid people wil think shes a terrible person/

Shes VERY scared. She won't go into any other detail like what exactly she could remember him doing to her. >.< On top of it she lives in a small village so if she goes to the doctor for a pregnancy or STD test (assuming no protection was used) everyone will find out. She feels even more sad because she knows if she is pregnant it won't be a child made by us. She kept putting herself down the whole time we talked. I even told her that if he forced himself on her it was NOT her fault. It was rape.

But even so she says its still her fault for not fighting back or anything. She said if she loved me she should have not cried when it happened and fought him. Shes so devastated and still grieving. We prayed together though for many things. She did feel better by the end but obviously is still not taking it easy.

I reassured her and told her again it was not her fault. I told her if she is pregnant shes going to have to tell people because obviously they will notice. I told her too that if she is pregnant. We will raise the baby together. He/She will be our blessing from this terrible trial. I'm supporting her so much right now. I wish I could fly there right now and just hold her and not let go. Its killing me. :(

I would never leave her. But shes going to have to get help for this and also get testing done. But I am not sure to get her to do it without her fearing her mother. I did share some articles with her about rape/drugged...etc so she would she it was not her fault and also that she needs to tell someone. Even file a police report even though there, there isn't much they can do about it.

So with this all in mind now what do you think? I also ask for all your prayers. I am staying strong for us, and she is trying to, but I hear her voice and I can tell this will take her a long time to recover from. Especially the guilt.
 
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I am so sorry to hear this :( What a horrible thing to happen any woman! I'm sorry also that you can't be there with her now. Where is she, may I ask? I'm also living in Asia (Malaysia to be exact). If she's near me I can try to help.

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Thank you, shes from the Philippines. I think the hardest part is she wanted me to forgive her for having sex. Knowing she was raped I told her now theres nothing to be forgiven for because she did nothing wrong. But still she wants me to forgive her because as stated above, she should have done more then cry when it happened. >.<
 
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If she was drugged (and it sure sounds like it), all guilt about not fighting back is irrelevant. Rapists use those drugs so that the victim CAN'T resist effectively.

Is there any chance she could go to a medical clinic in another city?

I don't know how honest or corrupt the police are there, but I would think she should report it anyway...

Does she have any friends over there who know her well enough to know she would not consent to sex? I think that would help a lot.

And if her mom is a Christian pastor, she should know that only Jesus is perfect - but I know the type. She could be a great asset to her daughter with the right attitude.

Sorry man - this is a bad situation!
 
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Yeah I told her her mom would understand, but she still feels its her fault and thinks everyone will think the same. >.<

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I posted my first topic literally an hour after she told me basically one paragraph. All she told me at first was a man was talking to her, she thinks he bought her a drink (tea), and something bad happened. Thats not alot to go on, so I she meant she had sex with him.

Today after praying she feels more open because I am her fiance. She went into lots of details now such as when he started to touch her she froze up and couldn't yell no. She was scared. She told me she cried and wanted him to stop. That rape to me. Example, even if you say you want to have sex with someone, but then change your mind, and that person forces you into sex then its rape. She did not want to have sex with him though. And evevrything she said is typical of a rape victim. They freeze up, the are scared, they cry and wish the person would stop.

I understand your trying to be helpful and I appreciate it but I'm going by facts. And while she won't say it was rape... it was. Granted when I talked to her about it being rape she said it doens't matter fi it was because she is the wrong person for freezing up. So she sort of just admitted it was rape.
 
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I am very sorry to hear this. If you really, really trust her and believe this is the truth, and you still want to raise a baby out of this, she would be really blessed to have a man with your attitude.

It's probably too late for her to go to the doctor and have them clean her out or collect forensic evidence. But if she's pregnant, pregnancy tests are cheap and abundant. She could have a married friend by one, or buy one when she brings a shopping list of things to buy for her married sister or cousin or something like that. She could also go to a doctor in another town if her village is that small.

On the suspicious side of things, if a girl were trying to get married, and she were pregnant, she could tell a story like this.... but you know better than us if you could trust her. Still, be very careful. You might want to interview her parents and acquaintances about what kind of girl she is.
 
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Thank you, shes from the Philippines. I think the hardest part is she wanted me to forgive her for having sex. Knowing she was raped I told her now theres nothing to be forgiven for because she did nothing wrong. But still she wants me to forgive her because as stated above, she should have done more then cry when it happened. >.<

It's hard in the Philippines. I've visited and I can see that it's not easy for young girls (and guys) over there. I hope that she can get some help in some way. Prayers for her and for you!
 
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I am very sorry to hear this. If you really, really trust her and believe this is the truth, and you still want to raise a baby out of this, she would be really blessed to have a man with your attitude.

It's probably too late for her to go to the doctor and have them clean her out or collect forensic evidence. But if she's pregnant, pregnancy tests are cheap and abundant. She could have a married friend by one, or buy one when she brings a shopping list of things to buy for her married sister or cousin or something like that. She could also go to a doctor in another town if her village is that small.

On the suspicious side of things, if a girl were trying to get married, and she were pregnant, she could tell a story like this.... but you know better than us if you could trust her. Still, be very careful. You might want to interview her parents and acquaintances about what kind of girl she is.
Yeah, its been a few days since it happened. i'm also not sure what kind of medical care system they have there in the smaller village. Doesn't sound to advanced.

And yep I 100% trust her. As many know my first fiance I blindly followed her not asking much. I was so nieve. So with my current fiance did a ton of research. Talked to her friends and family. Even checked her emails...etc. Which she let me do to show she was real and honest. Just as her friends and family grilled me to no end to make sure I was real.

Her family says she nice but since she hasn't really seen the world like her other siblings (missionaries) she can be overly nice and kind of "duh" to danger. When we chatted one time on a christian chat room a guy was hitting on her, it wasn't to obvious but I noticed. She thought he was trying to be funny. When I told her what some of her innuendos mean she was upset he was saying that stuff.

Shes only had sex once with her ex-fiance (when she was like 21 I think). Aside from that shes not had it again, she doesn't even touch. I only know this because one of her friends made a post about masturbation and she responded that it was a sexual sin and you shouldn't do it.

Perhaps the one thing I don't like is that above fact (about being "duh"). its not her fault but I've really helped her with that subject and taught her how the world can be. Just as I've tried to keep her on path as a christian and to focus on God. And she does thank me for it.

Thanks for all the prayers. We could really use them. ESpecially to get her to get tests done.
 
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it literally breaks my heart to read about all of this, but i want to tell you that i'm praying for her and for you. God bless you for staying strong and for helping her through this difficult time. God bless you for your commitment to her health and safety. please keep us posted so that we may continue to be reminded to pray for you both.
 
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Thank you. To update everyone shes still grieving obviously and still blames herself. She will not go get a STD or pregnancy test still. So far we prayed and believe God says she was safe from both things. So I am not going to worry about for now, but I still will ask her one more time when she sees her doctor.

We don't skype every day usually. So since my last post I've skyped with her a few times for hours on end. Keeping her smiling and happy. I even danced around looking silly so she could record it. It brightened her up alot. Even though we think shes not pregnant/has a std. I still ask for prayer that be true.
 
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She sees her doctor this week. I'm going to mention testing again.

To update also I talked to some missionaries that have spent years in the Philippines and told them what happened. They said rape is very common because men have a view of "Take what you want!". And the women are very submissive and nieve almost. And once raped I was told they never tell anyone because of shame. When I told this missionary she talked to the guy first and he seemed to be charming, the missionary told me thats how the men can be in Manila.

Then they ask to go for a walk and when they find a quieter place they rape you because they know the women won't put up a fight. The missionary said if she knew the guy then obviously I should be suspicious. But because she didn't know him then I shouldn't worry about if she is lying. The women are also very pure from sex there (not counting the prostitutes obviously).

I did tell missionary most people I have mentioned it to say I should ask more questions and assume she cheated on me. The missionary said the problem with america is even when there is rape people don't tend to believe it because everyone is paranoid because of what we see in the media involving cheating and divorces.

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I'm sorry to hear this. I hope she'll be ok. Not only a baby. But has she tested for std, or possible illnesses from this guy? Maybe you can talk to her about carrying a stun gun with her the next time she's out on her own.

Other way she's needs testing, and therapy. With all this going through her mind. I'm sure she needs you more then ever too, Freakazoid.

I'm sure, this fiance you have there. You sound like a true shining armor. I'm sure she's lucky to have you. A man defending a woman, is very rare indeed. Many just thrash, and trash her down. I pray that things get better between you both, and that you will have a nice wedding soon.
 
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Thanks again. Yeah there isn't to much I don't know about her. Skyping has really helped alot because you can see the person and their family. To be fair my parents and friends wanted to make sure she was real because of filipino scam artists. Just as her family and friends wanted to make sure I was real because of all the american man that come there just to have sex with them then leave. I guess stereotypes exist on both sides.

So far the only flak I got at this point is from her one aunt who doens't understand why she would marry an American whos on disability and disabled. But she ignore the aunt. I would say it was luck that I got a real filipino, but I know luck doesn't exist. Instead it was God. :) The rape though has made her much more aware about things and has made her try even harder to be a good christian because she didn't realize realize before how bad the world was.

I'm here for her for sure. Yesterday we were on Skype again and she cried again. But this time because she just wanted to be held by me. Shes nervous now about traveling alone to any city. I told her God will protect her and its really only in Manila where the biggest crime seems to happen. Outside of there most of the cities are small, friendly and everyone knows each other.
 
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Actually I did give her money (she didn't want me to send any because she knew I didn't have alot) well into our relationship when she planned on coming here on a fiance visa. But after I found out a spousal visa would work better I told her to use the money to help by formula for he younger sisters new baby and to pay for passport fees...etc. Which she has done. She hasn't misused any of it.

Well I haven't married her yet simply because the laws of both our countries are ridiculously overboard. You have to follow a billion rules to marry let alone bring her here. And with a fiance visa they can force her home at any time for any reason and never allow her back. >.< Its why I am marrying her in March now so she can come in about a years time after the visa is approved.

Thankfully God has been providing the whole time which has made the process easier.
 
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All she told me at first was a man was talking to her, she thinks he bought her a drink (tea), and something bad happened.
She should not have been out alone without family or friend and she should not have gotten involved with this guy like this. I can accept that she is innocent and did not know any better, but she should have. The problem now is her feelings of guilt. You say you have already forgiven her. So she just needs to confess before God and ask God to wash and cleanse her in the Blood of Jesus. Perhaps she does not understand what it means to be born again and a new creation in Christ. BUT and this is a BIG BUT. I do not know anything about this rape stuff. So you need to research the internet or find someone that knows how to help women that have been in a situation like this. Because they know a lot more about what a women needs to do to work their way through this then I do. I am just saying that there are things people need to do to protect and defend themselves from getting into a situation where they lose control like this. 20 20 hindsight is different from foresight. Good she is open and not wanting this to become a problem in your relationship with her. I am sure her desire to communicate exceeds her actual communication skills. So you have to take time and be patient with her. This is an expression of your love for her to give her every chance to communicate with you how she feels. To help her deal with the issues she has to deal with in life. Of course she is going to have feeling of low self esteem. So it is your job to let her know that you love her and that she is a very special person for you. So even if she has weaknesses, you and God can work together in her life to help strengthen her. As we can do all things though Christ that strengthen us. You can take the Filipino out of the Philippines. You can not take the Philippines out of the Filipino.
 
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Yeah. Shes repented of it and is better but I know shes still hanging on to it just a bit. Which is easy for me to say since it didn't happen to me. Most rape victims will go months, years even their whole life not being able to let it go. I'm hoping when we have our private time on the honeymoon I can talk to her about all this more. Or maybe not say anything so she can enjoy the honeymoon and forget about what happened. Problem can be rape victims is if you start to talk to much, they might feel you are pushing it and you could damage the relationship. So I don't really talk about it unless she wants too. When shes here I will have my mom talk to her since my mom was a victim of incest/rape by her father.

I think I mentioned it on this topic (not sure) but the missionary friend from there told me the filipino women will do this, even when faithful christians they have a hard time letting go of the shame they feel for what they did to the person they are with. Even if they didn't do it on purpose. She really hasn't brought it up recently so thats a good sign. I've been sharing sermons and devotions with her and its helped alot with her realizing shes not at fault and that God isn't mad at her.

To make her feel better I admitted I have lusted over her since we met (not like all the time or anything), more recently since I realize there will be a honeymoon. When I told her of this she forgave me and we prayed together that God would help us with any temptation in life. Since then I haven't had one sexual thought. Which is wonderful since I really want to stay pure until we marry.

She told me she wants a even deeper relationship with God after what happened. So I am helping her with that by telling her some good books to read by christians. Among other things of course. I told her that shes helped me to even if she doesn't realize it. Which also had helped her feel better too.

We have good communication but the problem more is the language barrier. Even though her mom teaches english, she doens't always know the words to use when we talk. I tell her I understand and love her even if she doesn't know how to say everything she wants to. She REALLY feels loved now seeing how I forgave her. And when I explained how God felt, it also helped alot too. She said yesterday shes so blessed to have a Father (God) that loves her so much and on top of that gave her a soon to be hubby that loves her the same. :)
 
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