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Any church that would judge you based upon something you did previously to your conversion is not worthy of even being called part of the Lord's Church.We don't want to attend just to be shunned or judged because our past sins.
I might have gone a little to far on this post, but a simple response of hey this denomination is close in foundation to your beliefs. We don't need Satan created denominations.
Any church that would judge you based upon something you did previously to your conversion is not worthy of even being called part of the Lord's Church.
As far as a suggestion for you, how about exploring the possibilty of becoming a Messianic Jew?
On the contrary all disciples and the early church were Messianic Jews and the entire new testament was written by Messianic Jews through the inspiration of tne Holy Spirit.I've never heard of Messianic Jew but after looking it up it definitely seems to me (just my opinion) like a Old Testament Christian? If that makes any sense at all? Very structured in Old Testament ways combined with Jesus as savior aspect?
new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.
Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.
So what would we fit into church wise
I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?
new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.
Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.
So what would we fit into church wise better?
I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?
They're sorta Trinitarian. Their official creedal statement is worded such that there's room to work around it. That's my view, but it was made by other observers when it was promulgated some years ago, replacing a more clearcut statement.
Check it out:
"We believe in God, the Eternal Spirit, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our
Father, and to his deeds we testify:
He calls the worlds into being, creates man in his own image and sets before him the ways of life and death.
He seeks in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.
He judges men and nations by his righteous will declared through prophets and apostles.
In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord, he has come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to himself.
He bestows upon us his Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races. "
Yes.
Southern Baptist believe in the Trinity and do not allow women Pastors. Here is the Baptist Faith and Message which list their primary beliefs...They're sorta Trinitarian. Their official creedal statement is worded such that there's room to work around it. That's my view, but it was made by other observers when it was promulgated some years ago, replacing a more clearcut statement.
Check it out:
"We believe in God, the Eternal Spirit, Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our
Father, and to his deeds we testify:
He calls the worlds into being, creates man in his own image and sets before him the ways of life and death.
He seeks in holy love to save all people from aimlessness and sin.
He judges men and nations by his righteous will declared through prophets and apostles.
In Jesus Christ, the man of Nazareth, our crucified and risen Lord, he has come to us and shared our common lot, conquering sin and death and reconciling the world to himself.
He bestows upon us his Holy Spirit, creating and renewing the church of Jesus Christ, binding in covenant faithful people of all ages, tongues, and races. "
Yes.
new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.
Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?
I took it and it came up with Episcopalian?
Too bad. I wonder how God could lift up Deborah as one of the Judges and yet Baptists reject women in a much lesser role as a Pastor of a church.Southern Baptist believe in the Trinity and do not allow women Pastors. Here is the Baptist Faith and Message which list their primary beliefs...
Southern Baptist Convention > The Baptist Faith and Message
What if you were to focus less on denomination and go to a Christian church with friends? Might that be a good place to start?new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.
Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.
So what would we fit into church wise better?
I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?
You have a problem there since no Bible author writes "reject all prophets because that is the only way to show that you have faith in God" --- where did you come up with that?
Granted it is a simple solution to false prophets - but it is not a Bible solution. For good reason.
new here and have some questions about denominations, bible history, just some general newer Christian questions that google can't seem to help with.
Denomination wise:
Never had a denomination really as an adult. As a child southern baptist. Attended a Wesleyan church later, recently went to a Presbyterian church which shunned us from joining once they found out we where not married when our child was born. Major turn off for a re-organized christian. Here are some questions personally about which denomination we might fit best into for anyone willing to give help.
1. To me God The Father, Son, Holy Spirit are 3 different beings/entities.
Not sure where you are coming from on this one, but Churches of Christ believe in God the father, God the Son, and God the Spirit, that are one God. Beliefs differ on this, but we believe in a Triune nature of God, but not necessarily the doctrine of the Trinity.
2. I believe once you are saved you can always loose grace and salvation until once again you whole heartedly and humbly give your life to God.
Same Here
3. We do not believe women should be leaders of a church. Not a sexist thing that's just how we interpret women's role in the Bible. No arguments needed.
Same Here
4. The KJV is not the end all correct Bible. Is it accurate sure. But we don't think a church that says the KJV is the only correct bible is true.
Same Here
5. Elders and deacons and such are fine but modern day prophets are a big no go for us. We put our faith in God. Not dave down the street.
We have Elders who are the pastors of the Church and deacons who are servants of the Church and ministers and teachers in the Church. But no prophets
6. Hell is a spiritual place of non believers. I believe that God will save those and all of those who come to him and repent and ask for and seek grace through him.
We believe in Hell, but it is up to individual interpretation of what it is.
7. Speaking in tongues. Snakes. Hell fire Brimstone. If I drink 3 beers over the weekend I'm bound for eternal damnation. No thank you.
We do not have any of that. Drinking is up to the individual, but we do preach against drunkenness.
8. Jesus is Gods son. A spiritual messenger and teacher who performed works and miracles and died for our sins.
Jesus Christ is the only head of the Churches of Christ. We no President, No headquarters, no Church bureaucracy or hierarchy.
So what would we fit into church wise better?
I'll start with this Bible question.
God in genesis has his sons around and lucifer "light bringer" "knowledge" etc is there.....if angels are sons of god would that not make lucifer a son of god?
We are all son's of God, God made us all.
That point alone would confine your choices essentially to the Unitarian Universalist Assn., Quakers, The United Church of Christ (Congregationalists), the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons), or some very small religious movements.
Catholics, Methodists, and a number of other churches agree with you there.
Scratch the Methodists from your list, unless your conscience is OK with your own particular congregation not having a woman minister although the denomination allows it.
Few churches would disagree with that.
Scratch the Mormons. Otherwise, same reply as given to point 4.
This could require some explanation. Do you mean non-Christians as well as Christians?
I'll avoid the usual jokes and say that most mainline churches would agree here.
This point is an amplification of the point made in #1. Scratch the Mormons for sure.
United Church of Christ (UCC) would be my answer (barely) except for the 'women as church leaders' issue. With that included, however, I'm not sure there is a well-known denomination that fits all the points. If I'm correct about that, you might find a non-denominational congregation that happens to fit, or else you could join a church that doesn't accept all your points but doesn't care very much if you hold to your own views.
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So somebody not looking for a conservative or legalistic church would probably feel at home there if they could accept women as leaders.
In a sense you're correct as far as prophets predicting the future or speaking on behalf of God but the definition of a prophet is basically anyone who brings anyone to a closer relationship with God. There are plenty of prophets in that respect living todayHe was talking about modern day prophets, and he is right. All modern day prophets are false prophets. The Bible is our final prophecy.
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