Feral Cats

[joshua 1 9]

I had a Feral Cat that I was feeding and the cat had kittens. I had at least 3 neighbors wanting me to get them spayed and neutered. I got three of them done. One of them was a beautiful little 7 month old kitten with a gold swirl pattern fur. I did not care about the other two cats but it bothers me that we ripped the female organs out of this cat and now it will not be able to reproduce. Because I protested the neighbor paid for that cat. It only cost about $40 to get them vetted and now it is a legal cat. The clinic told me I did not have to get it done but I would soon have 40 cats and they do not take in Feral cats to find them a home.

The Bible says to "Be fruitful and multiply". God designed cats to have kittens. What good is this cat now that it is not able to reproduce and have kittens? Other then to catch mice. Actually the mother is a champion hunter. She is catching stuff to give to the kittens to eat. One women on our social media was complaining that the cats were eating the cute little rabbits which she thought was terrible.

My point is IF we are going to teach the theory of evolution then how do we get this theory to work in the real world. If we live in a bio diverse Eco system then what is our duty to regulate that eco system that we are a part of. Like I said, I am under pressure from my neighbors to participate in the TNR (trap, neuter & return) program with our local clinic.

 

[Nithavela]

My point is IF we are going to teach the theory of evolution then how do we get this theory to work in the real world.

Your point isn't clear. What do you mean? That humans should actively regulate their surroundings according to "survival of the fittest" that happens automatically. We are not only subject to natural selection, we are a selective factor for other species.

In the case of those cats, there are already professional breeders that select for beauty standards, as well as stray cats that multiply according to their fitness in obtaining food by hunting or stealing or begging from humans.

What more would you expect?

 

[Christie insb]

If you had a feral bobcat I might feel differently, but housecats don't belong in this ecosystem. They compete with the native small predators and kill lots of birds. They do not belong out there multiplying like crazy and gobbling up the birds.

 

[cloudyday2]

If you allowed that cat to have kittens then it would have resulted somewhere in cats being euthanized to make room. There are too many wonderful cats in the shelters. Everybody should spay and neuter. I wouldn't even allow cat breeders if I had my way. Purebred animals usually have genetic problems due to inbreeding... my two cents

 

[Nithavela]

If you allowed that cat to have kittens then it would have resulted somewhere in cats being euthanized to make room. There are too many wonderful cats in the shelters. Everybody should spay and neuter. I wouldn't even allow cat breeders if I had my way. Purebred animals usually have genetic problems due to inbreeding... my two cents

Wouldn't that result in cats getting extinct after a few generations?

 

[cloudyday2]

Wouldn't that result in cats getting extinct after a few generations?

LOL, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Your point isn't clear.

I am referring to Al Gore who refers to himself as: "A passionate and lifelong defender of the environment, Vice President Al Gore describes in this classic best-selling book how human actions and decisions can endanger or safeguard the vulnerable ecosystem that sustains us all."

Only I am not asking about global warming, I am asking how we apply this belief that we are defenders of the environment to the cat population and regulating the animals in Eco system that we are a part of. This refers more to the park system and the federal parks, but it applies to our city and how we regulate the wild or feral animals that live in our city. The cats, possums, raccoons and so on.

I know the parks have a hunting season to control the population. They have limits on how much fish you can remove from the water. They have birth control for wild horses. So they do try to regulate the populations of various species.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you had a feral bobcat I might feel differently, but housecats don't belong in this ecosystem. They compete with the native small predators and kill lots of birds. They do not belong out there multiplying like crazy and gobbling up the birds.

I am not talking about stray cats, I am talking about Feral cats. The mother did not bring her kittens to me until she could not provide enough milk for them. They were maybe 5 weeks old at the time. Once she caught a rabbit for them and gave it to them to eat. When they were done eating the rabbit she took the fur and lined the nest with it. I spent two or three hours in the middle of winter cleaning that mess up so I did not have any problems with the health department. This got the mother cat mad at me and she packed her kittens up and moved them someplace else. Eventually she moved them back her but it was quite a while before I saw those kitten again. If you do not understand the difference between feral cats and stray cats then you need to do some research on the subject.

The second litter was more like 2 months old before I ever saw them. There were only four of the and she was able to feed them longer then she was able to care for her first litter.

 

[Christie insb]

I am not talking about stray cats, I am talking about Feral cats. The mother did not bring her kittens to me until she could not provide enough milk for them. They were maybe 5 weeks old at the time. Once she caught a rabbit for them and gave it to them to eat. When they were done eating the rabbit she took the fur and lined the nest with it. I spent two or three hours in the middle of winter cleaning that mess up so I did not have any problems with the health department. This got the mother cat mad at me and she packed her kittens up and moved them someplace else. Eventually she moved them back her but it was quite a while before I saw those kitten again. If you do not understand the difference between feral cats and stray cats then you need to do some research on the subject.

The second litter was more like 2 months old before I ever saw them. There were only four of the and she was able to feed them longer then she was able to care for her first litter.

What? Do you think feral cats are somehow native? No, they are not. I don't understand your point. Strays are cats who have gotten separated from their humans. Feral have either been stray for a long time or they were born to cats who have been living wild. But they are originally from the Middle East. For some reason I assume you are from North America, and cats do not belong on this continent. Feral cats breed like crazy and eat birds. The birds they eat did not evolve to cope with Felis domesticus. So maybe you mean something different than I think you do, but housecats and strays and feral cats are all the same species and cannot be allowed to breed indiscriminately.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you allowed that cat to have kittens then it would have resulted somewhere in cats being euthanized to make room.

We hear stories about people that spay cats that get cats they think should be euthanized. I have a few cats I would like to euthanize myself. You write a nice post though in that you really do get at the heart of the issue. Cats easily become overpopulated and we need to do something to control the cat population. Not just cats, the deer are getting over populated and in some area there are to many wild horses. So they look for ways to control the animal population.

 

[joshua 1 9]

What? Do you think feral cats are somehow native? No, they are not

They look native. The mother is the exact same color as the rabbits and the squirrels. A lot of the kittens are orange so I know the daddy is not native to this area. The dad is very good at staying hidden. He only come out late at night when we are asleep.

 

[Christie insb]

They look native. The mother is the exact same color as the rabbits and the squirrels. A lot of the kittens are orange so I know the daddy is not native to this area. The dad is very good at staying hidden. He only come out late at night when we are asleep.

Where do you live? Feral cats are regular housecats brought over by humans from Europe, etc. They do not belong here.

 

[HitchSlap]

I had a Feral Cat that I was feeding and the cat had kittens. I had at least 3 neighbors wanting me to get them spayed and neutered. I got three of them done. One of them was a beautiful little 7 month old kitten with a gold swirl pattern fur. I did not care about the other two cats but it bothers me that we ripped the female organs out of this cat and now it will not be able to reproduce. Because I protested the neighbor paid for that cat. It only cost about $40 to get them vetted and now it is a legal cat. The clinic told me I did not have to get it done but I would soon have 40 cats and they do not take in Feral cats to find them a home.

The Bible says to "Be fruitful and multiply". God designed cats to have kittens. What good is this cat now that it is not able to reproduce and have kittens? Other then to catch mice. Actually the mother is a champion hunter. She is catching stuff to give to the kittens to eat. One women on our social media was complaining that the cats were eating the cute little rabbits which she thought was terrible.

My point is IF we are going to teach the theory of evolution then how do we get this theory to work in the real world. If we live in a bio diverse Eco system then what is our duty to regulate that eco system that we are a part of. Like I said, I am under pressure from my neighbors to participate in the TNR (trap, neuter & return) program with our local clinic.

I think you just broke evolution.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I think you just broke evolution.

We already have 8 kittens and the mommy is pregnant again. I love the kittens and I would love more hungry mouths to feed, but they are feral cats and feral cats are very difficult to adopt out. They are not trained for a house and they love to climb everything and go everywhere. There is still one female left that is not fixed so evolution is not totally broken and she is only 2 months so we do not have to worry about her getting pregnant for at least 3 more months. The mom already had two litters pretty much by the time she was 1 year old. Cats reproduce very fast.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Where do you live? Feral cats are regular housecats brought over by humans from Europe, etc. They do not belong here.

I live in northern Ohio. One of the cats does look very much like a Main Coon cat that came over and is descended from the Norwegian Forest cat. What makes them Feral is that the mother has them in the wild and she hides them from people as long as she can. Eventually she reaches a point when she can not feed them anymore and she has to give them to people to take care of. The first litter was 6 kittens and she brought them to me when they were around 5 weeks old. The second litter was 4 kittens and we first saw them around 2 months old when she brought them to me. We can handle the first litter that we got at 5 weeks. The second litter at 2 months we can not handle at all. They are like a jack in the box. If you can get a hold of one they are pretty strong and I am not able to hold onto them. I only saw one of the little ones yesterday. So I do not know who fed the other two. Maybe they got enough food when they were here a few days ago.

The mother wants to take the fur from the rabbits that they eat and use it to make a nest for her kittens. I am afraid the health dept would write me up so I clean that up and it makes the mother very mad at me. She will then take her kittens somewhere else. The neighbors are starting to compare notes so we get a little bit of an idea of different places that she moves them to and she has quite a few different places where they go. One day I saw two of the kittens in a squirrel nest. They were there all day and I did get some photos but the photos I got were not that good. They are very good at being hidden. Often they are only a few feet away and I have no idea they are there at all.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm really just confused by the whole idea of this thread. We can spay and neuter pets, so that somehow invalidates evolution? Is that what you're getting at?

 

[joshua 1 9]

I'm really just confused by the whole idea of this thread. We can spay and neuter pets, so that somehow invalidates evolution? Is that what you're getting at?

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the expression: "When the rubber meets the road". Have you ever had to fix a flat tire? It does not matter how much hot air you have if there is a hole in your tire and it does not hold air. Some of us function in the real world and we want to know what really works and gets the job done. In the real world of you want to get paid you have to do what you said you would do. That usually requires more then a lot of talk. Fancy talk may get you the job but action gets the job done.

I question evolution theory and if it really works in the real world or if it is just a lot of hot air that you get out of people that do not know how to get the job done in the real world. The reason why I question the theory is because people fail to provide evidence that the theory is more then just talk. That is why I often say I trust NASA because if they do not get it right people die. I am skeptical when evolutionists can not provide evidence to show what they are saying is true.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Perhaps you do not understand the meaning of the expression: "When the rubber meets the road". Have you ever had to fix a flat tire? It does not matter how much hot air you have if there is a hole in your tire and it does not hold air. Some of us function in the real world and we want to know what really works and gets the job done. In the real world of you want to get paid you have to do what you said you would do. That usually requires more then a lot of talk. Fancy talk may get you the job but action gets the job done.

I question evolution theory and if it really works in the real world or if it is just a lot of hot air that you get out of people that do not know how to get the job done in the real world. The reason why I question the theory is because people fail to provide evidence that the theory is more then just talk. That is why I often say I trust NASA because if they do not get it right people die. I am skeptical when evolutionists can not provide evidence to show what they are saying is true.

... you're still not making sense.

 

[HitchSlap]

We already have 8 kittens and the mommy is pregnant again. I love the kittens and I would love more hungry mouths to feed, but they are feral cats and feral cats are very difficult to adopt out. They are not trained for a house and they love to climb everything and go everywhere. There is still one female left that is not fixed so evolution is not totally broken and she is only 2 months so we do not have to worry about her getting pregnant for at least 3 more months. The mom already had two litters pretty much by the time she was 1 year old. Cats reproduce very fast.

If you play your cards right, you could have 500 cats by Spring.

 

[TLK Valentine]

My point is IF we are going to teach the theory of evolution then how do we get this theory to work in the real world.

Sounds like it's already working in the real world.

If we live in a bio diverse Eco system then what is our duty to regulate that eco system that we are a part of. Like I said, I am under pressure from my neighbors to participate in the TNR (trap, neuter & return) program with our local clinic.

Sounds like the TNR program is regulating things pretty well.

Question: Do feral cats have any natural predators?