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<blockquote data-quote="Silmarien" data-source="post: 74340885" data-attributes="member: 395596"><p>If your viewpoint is that no social movement whatsoever could have pros because any good that comes from them is due to God alone, why ask about the pros and cons of feminism at all? You have basically redefined it as a construct through which God works his will, which is theologically sound but doesn't leave much to talk about.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Is it? I see the result of <em>sin</em> being prevalent throughout the Bible, and that sometimes involves people wanting to set up hierarchies where they should not, like when the Israelites asked for a king.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>"Toxic masculinity" refers to the ways in which society normalizes destructive behavior amongst men. When people write off offensive, sexually explicit language as "locker room talk," that is normalizing male disrespect and entitlement towards women that can turn violent.</p><p></p><p>It doesn't mean that masculinity itself is toxic, and I certainly don't know anyone who thinks that men are worthless because of this sort of idea. I would also be careful judging any movement based on Twitter, since it tends to be sensational and reactionary at the best of times.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Then I really don't understand the analogy. I would be very disturbed if spouses were unable to trust each other with their well-being.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is surprisingly uncharitable. I'm not engaged in mental gymnastics, though I do lean somewhat in the direction of liberation theology, which means a focus on hierarchical thinking is always going to make me suspicious. I don't think social structures that lead to oppression are divine. Quite the opposite, really.</p><p></p><p>If your convictions run in a different direction, though, so be it. I can respect that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Silmarien, post: 74340885, member: 395596"] If your viewpoint is that no social movement whatsoever could have pros because any good that comes from them is due to God alone, why ask about the pros and cons of feminism at all? You have basically redefined it as a construct through which God works his will, which is theologically sound but doesn't leave much to talk about. Is it? I see the result of [I]sin[/I] being prevalent throughout the Bible, and that sometimes involves people wanting to set up hierarchies where they should not, like when the Israelites asked for a king. "Toxic masculinity" refers to the ways in which society normalizes destructive behavior amongst men. When people write off offensive, sexually explicit language as "locker room talk," that is normalizing male disrespect and entitlement towards women that can turn violent. It doesn't mean that masculinity itself is toxic, and I certainly don't know anyone who thinks that men are worthless because of this sort of idea. I would also be careful judging any movement based on Twitter, since it tends to be sensational and reactionary at the best of times. Then I really don't understand the analogy. I would be very disturbed if spouses were unable to trust each other with their well-being. This is surprisingly uncharitable. I'm not engaged in mental gymnastics, though I do lean somewhat in the direction of liberation theology, which means a focus on hierarchical thinking is always going to make me suspicious. I don't think social structures that lead to oppression are divine. Quite the opposite, really. If your convictions run in a different direction, though, so be it. I can respect that. [/QUOTE]
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