Feminism

[leothelioness]

Don't start whining about your heels that you CHOOSE to wear.... Basically, men and women were meant to be different. They should not at all times be treated the same. There are times and situations when they are equal, and there are times and situations when they aren't. Both sexes tend to have certain positive qualities that the other may lack. Of course women should be given equal pay for equal work and that kind of thing. Of course women should always be treated with respect. By the way, concerning the matter about holding doors open for women, most women seem to appreciate it, so please don't be offended when a man does this; he's not trying to lord himself over you or exercise his "superiority." To be honest, every once in a while, I hold open a door open for another guy... at least behind me.... But anyway, as for roles in marriage: Genesis 3: 16 - "To the woman he [God] said, "... Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." This was before the Law. This was a result of the Fall. It is how things are, for the time being, supposed to be. This is echoed in Ephesians 5:22-27 - "22Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. 25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless." I am not some power-hungry man who wants to say, "Haha, see, woman! You're under my heel!" Certainly not, I'm simply stating what Scripture says. I hope that one day when I am married, I can live up to and fulfill the words, "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church..."

Lol, who's wining?

Anyway, the bolded portion just reminds me so much of the racist propaganda of "Separate but equal," but I won't get into that.

 

[jdaniel]

Your comment about your heels was similar to many times when I've heard women complain about wearing heels. Women don't have to wear heels, so they shouldn't complain about how uncomfortable and difficult they are when it's their conscious choice to wear them. Then next part of the bold portion is taken out of context if it doesn't include the next sentence. Examples of these different situations: in situations requiring physical strength, men are generally more capable; however, women tend to be more easily moved to compassion.

 

[Avniel]

Uh, yeah, a widow. The point I was making (which was apparently lost on you) is that you can't say WHY a woman is a single mother. Like I said, it could be due to one's husband dying, cheating and leaving, it could be anything. To assume a woman is a single mother because she can't keep her legs together, well, you're not God. That's all I can say.


ETA: And of course the other thing I gathered from your post, it's always the woman's fault. Not one thing you said lays the responsibility on the man. It's because of beliefs like yours that I no longer associate myself with fundamentalist bull.

I believe there is a lot more divorcees then widows. As far as cheating, why would woman take marriage advice from someone that was cheated on? She failed.

That is a lie you did not read where I said their is 2 people in a marriage if the marriage fails they both have failed.

woman cheats 2 people are failing man cheats same thing.

 

[Avniel]

Uh, yeah, a widow. The point I was making (which was apparently lost on you) is that you can't say WHY a woman is a single mother. Like I said, it could be due to one's husband dying, cheating and leaving, it could be anything. To assume a woman is a single mother because she can't keep her legs together, well, you're not God. That's all I can say.


ETA: And of course the other thing I gathered from your post, it's always the woman's fault. Not one thing you said lays the responsibility on the man. It's because of beliefs like yours that I no longer associate myself with fundamentalist bull.

1. If you read both my example of my grandmother you will notice that I in fact said they both were wrong.
2. Also a marriage isn't about who to blame and who is wrong and who did what?
3. I don't know how many pshycology class do this. Have an individual conversations male and female on relationships I bet those men know which women have been in single mother homes, divorceed parents, and parents that are still together. Men tend to be more sexist so its harder to tell.
4. Look up the stats on who is more likely to be single mothers/divorcees...a woman who's mother is a single mother or divorcee or a woman that comes from still married parents, logically what do you think?
5. There is no 1 person to blame for a divorce however of course I think the leader has more of a responsiblity. However has failed just as he has.
6. No matter the reseaon for the failure in the marriage its 2 people that have failed not one

 

[leothelioness]

Your comment about your heels was similar to many times when I've heard women complain about wearing heels. Women don't have to wear heels, so they shouldn't complain about how uncomfortable and difficult they are when it's their conscious choice to wear them. Then next part of the bold portion is taken out of context if it doesn't include the next sentence. Examples of these different situations: in situations requiring physical strength, men are generally more capable; however, women tend to be more easily moved to compassion.

Um, it was a joke in response to DD2008, lol. You're only 19, though. I'll give you a pass for not getting that one.

 

[leothelioness]

I believe there is a lot more divorcees then widows. As far as cheating, why would woman take marriage advice from someone that was cheated on? She failed.

That is a lie you did not read where I said their is 2 people in a marriage if the marriage fails they both have failed.

woman cheats 2 people are failing man cheats same thing.

Wait a minute. Are you saying that the one who was cheated on is the person who bears responsibility for their spouse's indiscretions? That's certainly how it came across. Maybe it should say "the one who cheated" rather than "the one who was cheated on".

 

[leothelioness]

1. If you read both my example of my grandmother you will notice that I in fact said they both were wrong.
2. Also a marriage isn't about who to blame and who is wrong and who did what?
3. I don't know how many pshycology class do this. Have an individual conversations male and female on relationships I bet those men know which women have been in single mother homes, divorceed parents, and parents that are still together. Men tend to be more sexist so its harder to tell.
4. Look up the stats on who is more likely to be single mothers/divorcees...a woman who's mother is a single mother or divorcee or a woman that comes from still married parents, logically what do you think?
5. There is no 1 person to blame for a divorce however of course I think the leader has more of a responsiblity. However has failed just as he has.
6. No matter the reseaon for the failure in the marriage its 2 people that have failed not one

That was a freudian slip, right? lol I would have to agree there of course.

 

[Avniel]

Wait a minute. Are you saying that the one who was cheated on is the person who bears responsibility for their spouse's indiscretions?


That's certainly how it came across. Maybe it should say "the one who cheated" rather than "the one who was cheated on".

I said both are equally responsible. Clearly their was something both of them lacked commonly communication. Both are at fault you cant see that?

 

[Avniel]

That was a freudian slip, right? lol I would have to agree there of course.

No it was the truth. Even in dating it is very hard to date a woman with no father figure typically. It is less difficult to date a woman with both parents but are divorced. The easiest relationship is from my and my friends experience is one with both parents still married.

Women from single parent homes TEND TO BE more arrangementative, less kind, not understanding and selfish. With an attitude that all men do this and that.

 

[leothelioness]

It's just really hard to read your posts, Avniel. Your points seem to be all over the place.

 

[leothelioness]

No it was the truth. Even in dating it is very hard to date a woman with no father figure typically. It is less difficult to date a woman with both parents but are divorced. The easiest relationship is from my and my friends experience is one with both parents still married.

Women from single parent homes TEND TO BE more arrangementative, less kind, not understanding and selfish. With an attitude that all men do this and that.

No, I mean the part about men being more sexist. I don't know why you keep rambling about single parent homes.

 

[Avniel]

No, I mean the part about men being more sexist. I don't know why you keep rambling about single parent homes.

Because me calling MOST men sexist is all you understood. Which in it's self is sad.

 

[OneOfTheMany]

This thread should be closed

 

[daniel777]

This thread should be closed

fo' sho'

 

[leothelioness]

Because me calling MOST men sexist is all you understood. Which in it's self is sad.

No, it just stuck out like a sore thumb and stood in direct contrast to your anti-feminist beliefs.

 

[leothelioness]

This thread should be closed

Really? Why? Does it offend you somehow?

 

[OneOfTheMany]

No. I am a man. I just think if we are going to have a real discussion on feminism, losers shouldn't be allowed to ruin it. At first I thought he was joking and I laughed, but when I realized he was mostly serious... it's just strange what mods on this site will allow.

 

[leothelioness]

Oh, well, I agree with you, then.

 

[Jeffwhosoever]

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