Feminism

[dinonum]

I guess ya'll just don't know when you're doing it.

Feminism is great!

Yeah, gosh, I should have known that I am incapable of being honest and truthful...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

DD2008, Love your humor, harmless and true as well. "The hand that rocks the cradle rules the nation." The daycare worker is now ruling the nation (mom is at work downtown). The ultimate woman is of course found in Proverbs 31. Curiously it is a wise old mother who inspired the story, warning her son to stay away from women who have liberated themselves from what nature intended, among other things. This perfect woman has every opportunity for success except the one that Feminists want the most: to "exalt their throne......" Feminism has few good points as it takes women further from the role that they must play in order to preserve society and makes them antagonists of the order that God ordained. It is an end-time phenomenon here in the West. Lucifer, the original 'wife-type', managed to destroy the earth and everything in it because he/she/it wanted the one thing that the Proverbs 31 woman didn't seek: to sit with "the elders in the gate". Sorry to be so serious Gals, but this has to be said. owg

 

[dinonum]

I have nothing against a Proverbs 21 woman and a Godly woman who submits, but to presume that women are these whiny, fit-throwing weaklings is ridiculous. I don't throw fits, I think it's annoying when anyone women or men do as well. If I am whiny, it's normally not because I'm a woman, it's because I'm acting like a big baby.

 

[DD2008]

I have nothing against a Proverbs 21 woman and a Godly woman who submits, but to presume that women are these whiny, fit-throwing weaklings is ridiculous. I don't throw fits, I think it's annoying when anyone women or men do as well. If I am whiny, it's normally not because I'm a woman, it's because I'm acting like a big baby.

ok

 

[dinonum]

All I can say is that I am extremely thankful to be married to a man of God who holds me to Biblical standards and I hold him to Biblical standards. Feminism is important because men are still insisting that women fit such absurd molds like a fit-throwing immature whining child, when in fact that is not descriptive of a Biblical woman such as the one in Proverbs 31.

Obviously though, there appears to be some who are too dense to understand what the Bible actually says about women and what femininity truly is.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have nothing against a Proverbs 21 woman and a Godly woman who submits, but to presume that women are these whiny, fit-throwing weaklings is ridiculous. I don't throw fits, I think it's annoying when anyone women or men do as well. If I am whiny, it's normally not because I'm a woman, it's because I'm acting like a big baby.

I think DD2008 was having a bit o' fun and you are taking him way too seriously. On the conciliatory side I think women are trying to dig themselves out of a hole they fell into after WW2 was over. Prior to the war most were stay-at-home moms doing the domestic thing. During the war millions of women did the work of men in factories, farms, etc. They liked it, and were good at it. The returning men expected domestic life to resume as before. It did not. Men took back the jobs that had so empowered women, leaving many frustrated. They had seen Paree and didn't want to return 'down on the farm'. From this frustration came the women's movement of the sixties, which began on college campuses as the 'sexual' revolution. Massive numbers of women offering 'free love' had an immediate effect on men. It weakened them morally. What men had striven for for millenia (in the West) was now freely available with no slick talk, dinners, drinks, going steady, lying through your teeth, promising marriage, etc. Much of male society was built around the chase, the sexual conquest, of women. This all came tumbling down. We are now in total moral chaos because of it. And from the moral rubble arose FEMINISM. Hope this helps. owg

 

[dinonum]

I think DD2008 was having a bit o' fun and you are taking him way too seriously. On the conciliatory side I think women are trying to dig themselves out of a hole they fell into after WW2 was over. Prior to the war most were stay-at-home moms doing the domestic thing. During the war millions of women did the work of men in factories, farms, etc. They liked it, and were good at it. The returning men expected domestic life to resume as before. It did not. Men took back the jobs that had so empowered women, leaving many frustrated. They had seen Paree and didn't want to return 'down on the farm'. From this frustration came the women's movement of the sixties, which began on college campuses as the 'sexual' revolution. Massive numbers of women offering 'free love' had an immediate effect on men. It weakened them morally. What men had striven for for millenia (in the West) was now freely available with no slick talk, dinners, drinks, going steady, lying through your teeth, promising marriage, etc. Much of male society was built around the chase, the sexual conquest, of women. This all came tumbling down. We are now in total moral chaos because of it. And from the moral rubble arose FEMINISM. Hope this helps. owg

I don't appreciate poking fun, because it isn't funny, it's insulting. I don't react that way because I'm emotional, I react that way because I expect to be treated respectfully just as I'd treat you respectfully.

I agree with much of what you are saying, except that I think you downplay the importance that women shouldn't just be a sexual conquest. We are not objects, we are people. I expect that my husband had to work and "chase" me, but he did so because he wanted a future with me, not because he wanted my sexuality.

Feminism is about empowering woman from being these objects though and taking their role on as a person. The fact that women needed to go to such extremes as to even demean the roles of mothers nowadays indicates just how bad women were feeling about their treatment. Women feeling mistreated should be a bad thing for Christian men, their woman should never feel like they are just an object and not worthy of anything except for their husbands gratification.

There are negative sides to all sorts of revolutions, heck, even Christianity becoming mainstream with Constantine caused some negative things, but many today would still say it was a good thing.

 

[DD2008]

I think DD2008 was having a bit o' fun and you are taking him way too seriously. On the conciliatory side I think women are trying to dig themselves out of a hole they fell into after WW2 was over. Prior to the war most were stay-at-home moms doing the domestic thing. During the war millions of women did the work of men in factories, farms, etc. They liked it, and were good at it. The returning men expected domestic life to resume as before. It did not. Men took back the jobs that had so empowered women, leaving many frustrated. They had seen Paree and didn't want to return 'down on the farm'. From this frustration came the women's movement of the sixties, which began on college campuses as the 'sexual' revolution. Massive numbers of women offering 'free love' had an immediate effect on men. It weakened them morally. What men had striven for for millenia (in the West) was now freely available with no slick talk, dinners, drinks, going steady, lying through your teeth, promising marriage, etc. Much of male society was built around the chase, the sexual conquest, of women. This all came tumbling down. We are now in total moral chaos because of it. And from the moral rubble arose FEMINISM. Hope this helps. owg

True. I was just having a bit o fun with our lady friends here.

I agree with the things you said. It's nice to have someone who actually lived through those changes to tell us about them, and explain what things were like and how they got so messed up.

 

[dinonum]

True. I was just having a bit o fun with our lady friends here.

I agree with the things you said. It's nice to have someone who actually lived through those changes to tell us about them, and explain what things were like and how they got so messed up.

Like I said, it's not funny if you are the only one laughing. I'm sorry, but mocking womankind just isn't funny to me, it's demeaning. I don't appreciate it because I think we should be much more respectful than that.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

A female firefighter can be feminine just as a man who washes dishes can be masculine. Basically some women are more driven than some men, while some men are more relaxed, and this dichotomy can be found in the Bible. Just look at Deborah and Jacob.

Deborah took her kids onto the battlefield, and Jacob was a homebody. Nobody ever thought Deborah was unfeminine, and nobody ever accused Jacob of being unmasculine. They did what they were made and called to do.

As insulting as being told we act like squirrels is I'd say it's more insulting for the men with all their sense of self control superiority to find that nine times out of ten it's the women of the Bible that did the right thing and kept themselves under control while the men were acting bananas. Queen Abigail's a good example of that. So was Mary Madelene if she was the woman who put the oil on Jesus' feet.

 

[DD2008]

Like I said, it's not funny if you are the only one laughing. I'm sorry, but mocking womankind just isn't funny to me, it's demeaning. I don't appreciate it because I think we should be much more respectful than that.

Ok. I understand

 

[dinonum]

Ok. I understand

Thank you finally for a respecful response.

 

[DD2008]

Thank you finally for a respecful response.

I still think ya'll are cute though.

 

[daniel777]

feminism tends to bring out an "us them" mentality that i think is divisive and destructive.

 

[leothelioness]

Regardless of who is labled what, your chemistry will effect your emotional state.

Actually I think it's kind of entertaining in like a little woodland animal kind of way when women throw emotional fits of powerlessness. It's like a squirrel trying to crack a nut that won't crack. So I don't call them names for that. It's sort of attractive.

Sometimes women just need men to protect them and fix stuff for them. It just requires trust. You must not have a lot of trust for men. I know we need to listen more, but women just need to settle down and let us fix it more, and things would run smoother.

Some women are hard headed though, you have to break em in like you do a good horse.

Oy vey. So, does that mean I can say, "Some men are so childish they have to be treated like one," and, "Having a husband is like having another child, " and get away with it?

 

[DD2008]

Oy vey. So, does that mean I can say, "Some men are so childish they have to be treated like one," and, "Having a husband is like having another child, " and get away with it?

If you must...

However, going bass fishing, swimming in the lake, watching college football with buddies on saturdays in the fall, playing with guns and animals, and going golfing, doesn't make us childish. That just makes us fun to have around!

We are useful as well, we take care of things, fix problems, take you to dinner and stuff, buy you things, take you bass fishing with us....etc For instance, I can grill a mean burger, and fry a turkey, as well as fix pretty much anything in the house.

 

[wannabeadesigirl]

If you must...

However, going bass fishing, swimming in the lake, watching college football with buddies on saturdays in the fall, playing with guns and animals, and going golfing, doesn't make us childish. That just makes us fun to have around!

We are useful as well, we take care of things, fix problems, take you to dinner and stuff, buy you things, take you bass fishing with us....etc For instance, I can grill a mean burger, and fry a turkey, as well as fix pretty much anything in the house.

Feminism isn't about making you men obsolete. It's about returning women to a point where they aren't obsolete. Women became obsolete during the Victorian era, and unfortunately it's the Victorian ideal of femininity many in the church feel that women should be like. I also agree with you, with the exception of golf, it's alot funner to swim in a lake than it is to care for a crying baby, but in my opinion it's alot of fun to play dress up and tea party once that crying baby has become a little girl.

As a woman I know I, like men, was created in the image of God, and that different attributes of God were given to my gender (as differnet attributes were given to men); primarily the attributes of tenderness, mercy, delight in beauty, common sense, and a ferocity that is awakened when my loved ones are in danger. This is hardly the image of the Victorian wasp waisted waif who fainted whenever she saw anything uncomfortable or inconvenient. I can't imagine Eve would've been much use in the Garden if THAT was the case, and unfortunately it's that Victorian ideal that many in the church would have us women become once more. Thanks, but no thanks.

 

[DD2008]

Feminism isn't about making you men obsolete. It's about returning women to a point where they aren't obsolete. Women became obsolete during the Victorian era, and unfortunately it's the Victorian ideal of femininity many in the church feel that women should be like. I also agree with you, with the exception of golf, it's alot funner to swim in a lake than it is to care for a crying baby, but in my opinion it's alot of fun to play dress up and tea party once that crying baby has become a little girl.

As a woman I know I, like men, was created in the image of God, and that different attributes of God were given to my gender (as differnet attributes were given to men); primarily the attributes of tenderness, mercy, delight in beauty, common sense, and a ferocity that is awakened when my loved ones are in danger. This is hardly the image of the Victorian wasp waisted waif who fainted whenever she saw anything uncomfortable or inconvenient. I can't imagine Eve would've been much use in the Garden if THAT was the case, and unfortunately it's that Victorian ideal that many in the church would have us women become once more. Thanks, but no thanks.

Women aren't obsolete or victorian. They're just women. They're attractive to men because they're different.

 

[leothelioness]

If you must...

However, going bass fishing, swimming in the lake, watching college football with buddies on saturdays in the fall, playing with guns and animals, and going golfing, doesn't make us childish. That just makes us fun to have around!

We are useful as well, we take care of things, fix problems, take you to dinner and stuff, buy you things, take you bass fishing with us....etc For instance, I can grill a mean burger, and fry a turkey, as well as fix pretty much anything in the house.

Personally, I have no man that does any of that for me. I do it all myself. Interestingly enough, it was my mother that stepped up and taught me all of those things, not my dad.

 

[leothelioness]

As a woman I know I, like men, was created in the image of God, and that different attributes of God were given to my gender (as differnet attributes were given to men); primarily the attributes of tenderness, mercy, delight in beauty, common sense, and a ferocity that is awakened when my loved ones are in danger. This is hardly the image of the Victorian wasp waisted waif who fainted whenever she saw anything uncomfortable or inconvenient. I can't imagine Eve would've been much use in the Garden if THAT was the case, and unfortunately it's that Victorian ideal that many in the church would have us women become once more. Thanks, but no thanks.

Oh, but we mustn't forget that those attributes aren't nearly as important in the grand scheme of things.