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Hi everyone...hope you're all doing OK. Sorry for yet another moaning post...just feel horrible. I've been doing the ERP but I don't feel like I'm getting anywhere. Yes I am nipping the conscious ruminating in the bud but I am still getting anxious and feeling like although I may not be ruminating so overtly it's still going on in the background and whereas I used to get some periods of relief now those periods seem to be happening less and less. I don't know if I'm doing th therapy wrong or if it simply isn't working for me. I'm getting so worn down and tired with feeling like this...I feel like just crying and resigning myself to being like this for the rest of my life. I'm tired of fighting...I'm tired of trying to retain some hope...I feel like a fool for ever thinking I could be OK and able to live normally. Maybe the fact it isn't working shows that OCD isn't my main problem, denial is. Sorry to be so negative...why does ERP seem to be not working properly for me? Sorry again...I hate being like this...take care, Rachel
 
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I am praying for you Rachel. I know how extremely frustrating OCD is. Are you on any meds? You know, why don't you try to just be mindful of the OCD for awhile. (Just a suggestion.) I know many people on this forum are all for the ERP. However, it might be true that for some people's OCD, it would be better to treat it by just recognizing that the bad thoughts are OCD and that it is wanting you to feel depressed, anxious, and helpless. My therapist said that with some pure-O people, ERP can be cause even more anxiety. I know for me the thought of ERP put me through the roof!! Just realizing that OCD wants you to feel rotten, and it does it by making you think bad things about that which is most important to you and by making you doubt yourself, might give you the strength to say "I am not paying attention to that thought. It is OCD and I refuse to obsess over it. All it wants to do is make me miserable. Instead I am going to focus on my breathing and (whatever other topic you can think of.)" I have read a lot of your threads in the past and I thought I would just throw out that idea to you. I am in no way condemning you for the ERP. I think it really helps a lot of other people and it might be right for you too. I just thought since you seem to be struggling with it so much you might want to take a rest and try to just be mindful for awhile.

Well, I have really gone on haven't I? I hope that you have peace soon.

Don't give up!!
You’re Friend,
Mandy :wave:
 
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Hey Rachel, boy can I relate. I definitely had periods of just feeling bad all the time. Maybe I wasn't actively obsessing, but it was like just having this sort of anxiety/bad feelings that didn't really attach itself to anything. Well - it DID attach itself, just not overtly. In the back of my mind I was always attaching it to obsessions.

Remember the brain is resistant to change. Have you listened to the Claire Weeks recordings? If not, I really encourage you to do so. This part is crucial in the therapy - it is the hardest part. The acceptance part. The acceptance of all feelings/thoughts/whatever OCD throws your way. To me, the exposures were the easy parts. It was the feelings - the sinking feeling, depression, free-floating anxiety, that always got to me. It's like OCD wanted to torture me through feelings, not thoughts (though the thoughts were definitely there, too!)

Really - if you haven't listened to the recordings, I think you'll find them very helpful. You have to take the same attitude with feelings as you do with thoughts - so what? Not going to change my plans or agenda just because I feel bad. Not going to let them keep me from doing the things I like just because I feel anxious. Of course, easier said than done! But it works. Like seajoy said, give it time. Do remind yourself you have OCD, after all, if you didn't, you wouldn't be feeling this way! We are feelers. Some people can treat OCD with CBT and I completely applaud (and am a little jealous!) that they can do that. Treat it and be done with it. But we are feelers, empathetic people, emotionally sensitive. We always go through life with our feelings first. Feeling seems to determine so many things for us. But we are bigger than our feelings. We have a huge advantage, because we have ACTIONS! OCD can never control our choices and our actions. We are in charge. Tell OCD "ok, you do your thing, but I am going to do my thing!"

You are in charge, Rachel! That's a good thing! Hope you feel better, friend.
 
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Thanks everyone for your replies...no you didn't go on at all Mandy...you should see how I ramble on...lol! Yes I am on a fairly low dose of meds...prolly need a higher dose but as I'm still feeding our son I want to minimise any drug transference in the milk. Funnily enough, mindfullness was what my Psychiatrist and Psychologist reccomended. I agree it can be a good technique and does work sometimes for me...in some ways it seems to overlap with ERP. It seems to work well on those things I know without a doubt are OCD related...things thqat have not rational basis like feeling comperlled to look at something when I don't need to. But when there's any doubt that what I'm worrying about is to do with OCD I find ERP or Mindfullness so hard to do...as I guess most of us do! Thanks for your prayers and support...I hope you're doing OK!

Sorry...will have to reply to the rest of you later as the little one has woken up...take care, Rachel
 
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Thanks for your encouragement Seajoy...hope you are doing OK at the moment!

Thanks Sad...sorry haven't much time to reply more fully to all you said but I appreciate your empathy and what you've said. I guess the trouble is yes there are times when it's a more free floating anxiety but that isn't so bad as when I feel it all attaching itself to my hubby. I'm trying not to ruminate but the worries and fears are still there and I don't know what that means...I thought after so much time ERP would be working. On the other hand I do know that years back I could feel awful and not really know why so don't know how much of that is sparking the relationship worries or vice versa. Sorry I can't write more at the mo...I really appreciate all your replies...thanks again, take care, Rachel
 
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Just to add...thanks Sad...will try and listen to those recordings...I think you did a link to them a while back didn't you? I guess as I said above, what kills me is feeling so anxious and horrible and knowing it's all attaching itself to my hubby and thinking how can something be right if I feel so awful? I know I have said in the past that my anxiety is like lightning that wants to ground in something...but I still feel so frightened that I am preferring to think that is what's happening rather than accepting that I am deluding myself about my relationship. When I feel like this it's like I'm on hyper alert and almost nothing he does sits well with me. I am trying not to ruminate but like my psychologist said ages ago it's like I do a virus scan like computers do and when one of those is running you can't do anything else on the PC. I know I am doing stuff but it's so exhausting with this going on virtually all the time. And even if all this is OCD related, how can a relationship flourish with this going on? Maybe the OCD will spoil something irreversibly...maybe it already has. That is not to say I'd leave but still things can not be as they could have been...and my fear is if I haven't cracked this thing in six years what does that say about the next fourty or fifty? I will keep trying...I have to...but this is so hard...thanks again...take care, Rachel
 
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Hi Rachel, you can download and listen to the recordings here: http://www.controllinganxiety.com/dsp_downloads.php

They are so very helpful. For me it was like the last piece of the puzzle listening to these and understanding what acceptance truly means. I still have my days but they are few and far between!

You asked how can a relationship flourish while this is going on. Well, it's hard. I hate when I'm "in my head" as opposed to being focused and present when I'm around my husband. Even now as I worry about work and my final exams coming up, I feel I'm "in my head" and I hate it! :) I guess the first step would be to make conscious choices. Have you read "The Love Dare?" It is a 40-day devotional based on doing one loving thing for your spouse each day. I've only just started, but it's a great book. For instance, the first dare is to not saying anything negative to your spouse during the day. I thought, oh, this will be easy, we get along so well. Well wouldn't you know the day that I took that dare, my husband was really testing me! It was difficult! But rewarding. You can find the book on amazon.co.uk. It is just one way to stir the embers and allow the relationship to grow and flourish during this time. It is hard, no doubt. But not impossible. Pray for God to show you new ways to demonstrate your love for your husband.

At one point I had to accept that OCD may always be with me. I still get all the same spikes that I did before, they just don't bug me now. It is like living with diabetes or a bad knee - you learn ways to recognize your symptoms and cope accordingly. We live in a sinful world with broken bodies and unfortunately our brokenness sometimes means we have a chronic disorder that can be VERY well managed, but sometimes we just still have those symptoms of it. Since I am under a lot of stress right now with studying for exams, I notice feeling more anxious in general, and definitely having more spikes pop up than normal. I expect it, so it doesn't surprise me or upset me.

As long as you try to fight this thing with feelings, you will fail. I know how it feels to be so desperate to feel something good, positive, just to reassure you that it's all ok and that those feelings do exist. But, that's not going to happen when you're in the throws of OCD. This is going to be a miserable time, and hard to cope with! But it has very great rewards.

I have some saved links of some advice from others who have done ERP, that I hope will help. I'll just paste them here in case anyone else can benefit from them.

Exactly! It does go against everything you know in life! That is the hard part about exposure therapy. You have to go against the bodies natural reaction to run, to find safety. It is natural to act this way, don't be so hard on yourself. Everything is laid out in front of you. Don't expect those feelings to return, they will return naturally. For so long I was like this. I would sit around, do the exposures half heartedly, and just wait for the day that this thing would just disappear. Here's the thing: it will never disappear for long on it's own. Every morning, after OCD giving me a week off, it would return and I would develop the same self pitying attitude that I had had the last time it struck. That is what needs to change. Don't expect to feel better, don't expect the thoughts to go away. Stay with your CBT, do everything despite how you feel and it will get better.

1) Auto thought: "Am I saved? Am I just faking this? Am I saved?" Healthy response: "Nope, not saved. I am a raging athiest." Endure the anxiety without looking for relief mentally or physically and move on.

2) Don't try and answer the unsolvable questions. "Am I in love?" "Does God exist?" Either answer these with exposures like above, or say to yourself that you CHOOSE not to engage in these questions at this time. Realize when you are better the answers to these questions will be there.

3) Feelings. Accept every feeling and realize that a feeling does not have to affect your mood. If you wake up in the morniing feeling depressed, don't try and figure out the puzzle, accept it and move on. Don't entertain the feelings. In fact it is beneficial, once you get the hang of this to see if you can make the anxiety/depression/whatever worse by doing an exposure.
 
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Here's another one. This was a response to someone who has obsessions over being bipolar. This guy REALLY helped me start with ERP:

Most likely your spiking over thoughts and feelings. If not feelings, then just thoughts or vice versa. Here is how to handle both of these:

1) Thoughts- When you are hit with a thought: 'there is no point to all of this' or 'depression is incurable' etc. You need to respond by first acknowledging the thought, agreeing with it and then making a thought up that is much worse than the one you originally had. What you are most likely doing now: Automatic thought: "Life is horrible" Your automatic response: feelings of anxiety, 'why did I think that?' 'what is wrong with me?' 'am I depressed?' etc etc. Instead, a more positive response: Automatic Thought: "Life is awful" Automatic feeling of anxiety/depression etc., your response 'Yes life is awful. In fact, it's so awful there is no point in living a life full of misery.' Accept the increase(most likely but not always) in anxiety/depression/whatever your brain wants you to feel and go about your life at a reasonable pace.

2) Feelings-If, like me, your brain loves to torture you with feelings handle them like automatic thoughts. If anxiety/depression/whatever accompanies a spike, do the above. If you are spiking over feelings, say if you have a headache or feel a bit 'down' and this is evidence you are depressed then handle it like you would the thoughts, Phillipson says. So, if you feel 'down' or your having some other negative feeling that is spiking you, come up with a negative thought to go along with it 'I feel so bad because I am depressed.' etc.

I have been through the worst OCD has thrown at me. I had agoraphobia and it was cured through ERP so I know this stuff works. I had illness ocd that turned into s-ocd, and after my brain grew tired of that it turned into d-ocd(depression ocd). It's a tough obsession because, like all of the oc themes it makes you FEEL and THINK that it is true. Good luck! We'll get through this, and keep in touch!
 
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Thanks so much Sad...you're a star you really are...especially when I know you're struggling yourself at the moment...really hope you're doing at least a bit better. I've edited some of my posts cos I'd done some quite misleading typos so I hope you got the gist OK. I know I've prolly asked you about this before but one thing I struggle with is how others with OCD and in particular relationship OCD say things like they KNOW they really love their partners or they KNOW they're lovelable, kind, etc, etc, people yet the doubts remain. But for me, I would LOVE to be able to say all those things but the only thing I can say with any degree of certainty is that I do NOT regret marrying my husband. When I'm in the throws of this I find it very hard to see the positives or if I do for them to mean much to me. All I can do mostly is see the negatives and get a huge amount of fear and almost paranoia about him. Did you find that at all? And did you also feel how could something be right when it all keeps feeling so wrong? No worries if you'd rather not say. Take care and many thanks again for taking the time to help...sending warm hugs from a very chilly England...Rachel

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