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Hello all. I would like to share my experiences with you and possibly receive some helpful Christian advice.

For many years, I was a very conservative Pentecostal Christian. I rarely went to the movies, watched tv, and certainly read and listened to exclusively Christian material, such as contemporary Christian music. As a teenager, my favourite bands were Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, AC/DC etc, and my all time favourite ( shock , horror ! ), Black Sabbath. Anyway, I got rid of all these albums 15 years ago, but I must confess, it was not out of any real conviction of God, but my parents and my church going on about it all the time. My old church even had a special presentation night once about rock bands, and my dad gleefully told me all the details of these bands, and the lives of the members, and so guilt got the better of me, and as I say, I stopped listening.

I moved, and I settled in a new church, where I was the drummer for the best part of a decade. I was zealous, evangelistic, gave many thousands of dollars over and above my offering for missions, etc, and as I say, very conservative and hardline. I must confess that I don't really believe I was an effective witbness, because I was so rigid and hardline, and I think I just put a lot of people off instead. But hey, I was zealous!

In the last 2 years of my church, everything fell apart. I became extremely disappointed over the way I was treated, I was sharply spoken to by various members for daring to question things, I was ripped off by a so called brother who to this day owes me thousands, (and has told me to my face that I am not a priority, but his family first), I was stabbed in the back, I was not supported, I was lied about and slandered and a pastor refused to do anything about the offending person, ( I will spare all the details ).

After a lot of bitter experiences with all these fellow Christians, something in me snapped!. I just can't explain it. My ultra conservatism just seemed to fall off me. This is because I noticed that all the people that done these things were the conservative ones, and that all this exclusive reading, listening of Christian material made them no better , and in fact, in my opinion, many of them engaged in practices that a person of the world wouldn't even do.

However, as I became aware of the falseness of all these external values, something was changing inside of me, well actually two things. One, I realised the most important thing was love, peace, kindness, forgiveness, Godliness, which I just didn't see being shown to me, and not the pride of listening and reading exclusively Christian material. I became more conscious of what being Christ like really meant, and out of my own bitter experiences, I have endeavoured to emulate these things instead, rather than just be a mere religous conservative.

Good I hear you say. However, as I said before, music to me has always been a passion, and at the same time as these new Christian convictions were stirring, ( I still can't believe this ), after 15 years, I suddenly had a desire to return to my old secular music. I just saw that people being religous and listening to nothing but Christian music did not make them any better, and I just felt deeply in my heart, that my secular music would not make me any worse. So I have returned to all my old music, including my favourite, Black Sabbath.

And now people make me feel like I am some sort of fallen creature, in league with Satan or the world! If I can say one thing, in that when I did listen to exclusively Christian music, I never was actually interested in the lyrics. It is only the actual music itself I like, especially superb guitar, drum solos and playing, which bands like Zeppelin and Sabbath are masters of. But now I am made to feel like a deceived sinner, and all the time I notice so many Christians who wouldn't touch Black Sabbath with a ten foot pole do other things in their lives that even a lot of non belivers wouldn't do, the type of things I am now deeply convicted of.

I have swapped my former ultra conservatism for love, fruit, peace, mercy, etc and have become a little freer myself, but now I face opposition, and the feeling of being isolated and different, simply because as it happens, my most favourite of music and guitar and drum playing happens to be these secular artists.

Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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I was a Blues guitarist, by profession, for many years before becoming a Christian and have always had to fight going back to the old scene. I don't really see what your doing wrong other than listening to bad lyrics. I don't think the music has as much effect as the WORDS spoken over the music. What comes from the mouth comes from the heart, so we cannot allow blasphemies and bad reports to come from the well of our hearts. That's the only problem I see.
I was always able to improvise my own style into whatever I played, so I wrote my own songs about the Lord with music I liked. Big difference.
As long as you watch over what motivates you in life, like the love, then don't be worried about what the Pharisees say about you. They will be quick to shut up the gates of heaven to you for many things, but if you seek first God's Kingdom and make Him the delight of your heart - well, you should know that He will bless your life with all the things you need.
About the trials of life - hey, they are to be expected, and if you read the Bible, you know that tares are sown in with the wheat by the enemy, satan. So when people dispitefully use you, don't let that be an excuse for losing faith. Stay strong in the Lord and guard your heart.
Sometimes we all act like little Pharisees. Do a study on what Jesus said to them. It's pretty interesting, and He warned us to beware the leaven of them. If He warns us, then it means it is an easy thing for us to fall into pride over our own spirituallity and forget that we are servants to everyone and that we give to who ever asks of us - friend or enemy.
God bless, and be encouraged; the trials of life are what cause us to grow stronger in our faith.

1Pe 1:7 These trials are only to test your faith, to show that it is strong and pure. It is being tested as fire tests and purifies gold—and your faith is far more precious to God than mere gold. So if your faith remains strong after being tried by fiery trials, it will bring you much praise and glory and honor on the day when Jesus Christ is revealed to the whole world.

Ps 66:1 <<To the chief Musician, A Song or Psalm.>> Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:
 
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If I can just further explain. I realised that God wasn't just showing me faults in others, but myself. I had this deep conviction that God allowed me to go through all these devastating hurts with fellow believers in order to show me what not to be like. And amazingly, when I was pouring out my heart to a good friend, she said " Do you think that maybe God allowed all these experiences to show you what not to be like?" I was amazed!

I must confess that in many ways, I was the same. Unforgiving ,unkind, harsh, critical, etc, and before I returned to secular music, I was very unkind to my newly wed wife. We have had such a torrent of arguments, always me being the instigator, all the time while never failing to miss church, (even when sick), giving large amounts, being ultra conservative, etc. I must confess I was very unGodly, something I have been convicted of.

And now, I can help my beloved and lovely wife around the house,and not blast her because she does suffer from a few physical disorders, with gladness. And many times, whether stuck in traffic, or working around the house to help my wife, it just makes it so much more enjoyable and thankful for me, as I'm listening to my favourite secular bands!

It just doesn't make sense to me, and again, I feel odd and different. So many people come to Christ and feel convicted to give up say secular music, and I have gone the other way.

If I am deceived, then why am I so deeply convicted about love and righteousness, forgiveness, etc? It just doesn't make sense. In fact, I am so deeply convicted about getting your personal life right, and especially how you interact with your marriage partner, that I do not want to take up some sort of ministry, until I am right with my wife first!

Like I say, my experiences are different to a lot of other people's.

As I said before,
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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God speaks to us in life, and it sounds like you know what you have to do...... so do it. Actually, a husband cannot expect his prayers to be answered if he is mistreating his wife, so the Lord may be showing you this. Also, you have to hunker down and read the scriptures. The Bible says that Jesus words impart spirit and life to us, and if we hide His word in our hearts we are more likely to not sin as much against Him.

1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
 
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It's too bad there are churchgoers who ripped you off and such. Let me tell you, as a 3 year old Christian, the rest of the world will rip you off too. I've had all my possessions stolen from roommates on different occasions, and car stereos stolen many times as well. I also worked for a millionaire vacation resort company that "gives away cars" but in reality, they don't give away the cars, they are lying to get people to sign up for their telemarketing list (the "winners" were just pictures of employees posing next to the car). It's sad that it happens in church, but the world will chew you out and spit you out too. I say this also as a rape victim. The world ain't looking out for you, it mainly wants your money or whatever else can benefit them.

As for the churchgoers, God warns us in the bible that so many are liars and disobedient, they only say they love Him, but their hearts don't care about Him. It's lip service, cheap flattery worth nothing. Most of the churchgoers I've met in 3 years don't love God wholeheartedly, but they aren't real Christians then. The so-called church is disgusting to me. I love Jesus, it's not the true spiritual church that disgusts me, it's the fakers and money hungry preachers, selfish lying "christians", there are a lot of them.

Well, I don't know what to add for your situation Tomy, except follow Jesus, and read and obey the Bible every day. He's the only way to eternal life with God, it's not easy, life isn't easy for me, after I became a Christian, my husband committed adultery on me with a minor, becoming a permanent registered sex-offender. That's not God's fault, God says this generation is wicked, and He's right. This world is wicked, lying, thieving, selfish, murderous, hateful, idolaterous, and God's promises are my only hope for something better. I love God, thank you Lord, for Your promises, You are the only one good!!!!
 
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Tomy,

Are you still worshiping with the same community?
Maybe after the hurt you feel, in order to be able to forgive and forget, you and your wife may need to change to a church, where you both feel comfortable so that you can continue to improve your relationship with God.

You should apologise for any hurt you have caused and get on with your life. Your values appear to have moved away from those of your peers within your church.
Do you feel your relationship with God has changed, or grown?

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Hello

I have felt condemned, isolated and different recently - not by Christians but by another group of people. Sometimes, we feel different when we are doing things right. Just keep on listening to God as you have been doing, and whenever you feel different, ask yourself if you are being how God wants you to be. If you are, don't beat yourself up. It can be very lonely in the world when we are following God's will but our being lonely is sometimes what is needed to bring us closer to God.

Hope this is helpful.

Hugs

Maharg
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Okay, first of all, I would like to say that I have nothing against most of the mainstream music out there. There is a lot of straight-up ROCKING music out there that isn't christian. But at the same time, there is a lot of Christian music out there that sounds a lot like the secular stuff and is biblical and Christian and worth a bit of your ears.

Second, what a sucky church to treat you that way. Your parents were realy mean to do that to you, but they probably just wanted you to live a better life, but they really need to get inline with the real thing, Jesus. he didn't judge on what music people listened to, so I don't know where people get these crazy ideas that secular music is so bad. They do say bad things in a lot of songs, but jeese, what's so bad about a lot of the other stuff. You can apply it straight to your relationship with Christ.

Try out some of the Christian music, go onto a site called Christianrock.net. It is a really good sight worth a listen.
 
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It sounds to me like you are growing rapidly in the Lord! Once you stopped listining to what other (well meaning - generally) CHristians had to say and started listening to what God said, you really blossomed!

If, because of the lyrics, you should neeed to stop listening to your music, God will make that clear to you. I think you are alittle uncomfortable wiht it right now is all the voices from so many years echoing in your head. As for the music, well, there's no accounting for taste... :) but there aren't Christian insttruments or Christian rythyms or arrangements that are inherently evil!

If you are in the same church, I would encourage you to look around and see if you can find a new one that can help you continue your growth with fewer echo.

I'm sorry you were so badly beaten up by Christians. I wish I could say that I'd never heard of such a thing, but I've seen it a lot, and I've experienced it for myself. I had a "fine" Christian organization I had been involved with for decades get at me by wounding my daughter. It's been said that only Christians kill their wounded... The wounds will linger for awhile, but I assure you, healing will come... and you've already experienced the new growth that can come from being buried in, well, let's just say "organic nourishment".
 
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I would just like to say to everyone who has replied to my thread, thanks for your kind and encouraging words, and for taking the time and interest to reply to me. It is greatly appreciated!

I must say that I am getting over my hurts and frustrations, and have realized an important lesson, not to have all these great expectations of others, and yes myself, because they go to church. As you all rightly say, we all fail, and the Bible is quite clear, that there are many false ones in his congregation. I was just simplistic and naive.

I just think that what gets to me still today, is that many Christians would say that I am now deceived. As I say, in the last couple of years, I have really been convicted about what it truly means to be Christlike, but many people would say that is impossible in my case, as I have returned to my secular music, especially my favourite band, Black Sabbath. Also, many well meaning people have told me how lyrics can affect you, but to be totally honest, in my case, that has just never been, either with CCM or secular! Even as a teenager, with all of the "worst" bands I enjoyed,never did I get into drinking, drugs, wild parties, etc.,and I must say that listening to CCM for almost 2 decades did not make me want to worship God any more. As I said before, I have had some awful and horrendous arguments with my kind and gentle wife, at one point driving her to the point of suicide, BEFORE I got into secular music, at the same time, listening to nothing but Christian music. Rather, regardless of what I listened to, my desire to serve God and be Christlike has come,as always, from deep within and not in any way influenced by external matters, such as music, good or bad, CCM or secular.

I know this will sound almost blasphamous to you, but so many times, when I am enjoying something, like just being with my wife, or friends, or going to uni, and yes, even listening to say AC/DC or Black Sabbath or Led Zeppelin etc, I am thankful to God for the freedom to do so,and the enjoyment of it. My relationship with my wife is far better now as I have been deeply convicted by God about treating her right.

It just doesn't sound quite right simply that because so many other Christians are always proclaiming the things they are giving up, such as secular music, but I am going the other way, returning to it, and even having the audacity to thank God for it!

But I wil say that I am being convicted to give up, rather than such things as secular music, bitterness, anger, hatred, unforgivensess, unkindness etc, which has long been characteristic of my life, even for the 2 decades I listened to exclusively Christian music.

Appreciate any thoughtful replies.

Thank you everyone again.
 
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Hi Tomy

Good to read your reply. I am in a Christian choir and we sing some secular music, mainly jazz pieces and madrigals. I remember saying once in a Church service that I felt it was important to be worhsipping God with whatever I sung, and that sometimes when I sang the secular music i was as moved as singing the religious music, because I could see God's hand in it. The minister quickly rephrased what i had said for the congregation as i think they might have thought me blasphemous, but he essentially understood. If we are feeling worshipful of God, if we have true freedom in Christ, then we know what we should do on a day-by-day basis - we don't needa set of rules to keep to. If you keep on putting your relationship with God first, everything else will slot into place - i know it does for me when I put this relationship first.

Bye for now

maharg
 
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