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Feast Days And Sabbath Days. Are They Still Binding?

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I would like to make a few posts from something Joe crews wrote years ago on this subject; as well as discuss this with others.

 

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One of the things that I wassurprised to learn from the Bible when I read this booklet on the feast days was how the so dubbed "ceremonial law" was/is totally against us; and this is in direct contrast to the TEN commandments:
 
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And here is another surprise, atleast to me when I first read it:

THE MORAL LAW EXISTED IN EDEN

 
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And here is another surprise, atleast to me when I first read it:
THE MORAL LAW EXISTED IN EDEN

 
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This post will conclude in establishing, among other things, the feast days have been done away with, and are no longer binding/mandatory for Christians: There is much more to say on this subject but I am all out of internet time for now.
 
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Castaway:

Joe Crew is not ELOHIM! I cannot on earth see how SDA's will read this man articles where he clearly states that these were pagan customs to justify observing them because of some crazy belief to honor YAHSHUA Birth!!!! IT IS A LIE AND A LIE BREAKS THE COMMANDMENTS:

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. Ex 20:16

YAHWEH hates a lie it is an abomination unto HIM and you want to perpetuate a lie. Now I maybe a little harsh but not mean Castaway. You have condemn me for things you claim I am completely off about. But this is very clear and cut dry you cannot serve two masters. Christmas means to worship Mithras mass read your history. Plus the information both Redog and I have provided in the forum on the symbols IHS. How long will you be halt between the truth and a lie.

Hear ye the word which YAHWEH speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith YAHWEH, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good. Jer 10:1-5

Placing wreath on our church door which represent death it is sad and you get upset with me?

MY people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to ME: seeing thou hast forgotten the Law of thy ELOHIM, I will also forget thy children. As they were increased, so they sinned against ME: therefore will I change their glory into shame. Hosea 4:6, 7

I know you will again chew me out but I can only pray for you!

Blessings and prayer on this Sabbath Day and to the children and teachers killed horrible by the shooter in Conn my old home state,
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Well; I see no need to "chew you out" every time I disagree with you. lol. But I do know one thing; I did not say; or even hint, that Joe Crews was God.

All I am doing is presenting the many scriptural points he makes, I personally enjoyed his thoughts on this topic; and do not, at this time see any problem with what I posted, so perhaps you could give exact quotes from the above posts I made, and tell me where you disagree and why?

I have some more to post in a bit when I get time. I think that once all the scriptures Joe or I mention in these posts are read, it will be seen that the feast days are a part of what has been done away with on the cross.
 
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This post will conclude in establishing, among other things, the feast days have been done away with, and are no longer binding/mandatory for Christians:There is much more to say on this subject but I am all out of internet time for now.
Continuing with Joe's message on Feast days and Sabbath days; we come to this very interesting portion of his study:
 
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Continuing then, from this last post; I will include the final portion of Joe's study on Feast Days and Sabbath Days. The reason I enjoy these studies is because of the fact he uses only scripture to support his ideas.
 
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To be honest most SDA's do not observe the feast days. I personally do not keep them (still praying and studying), but I do see great benefits in understanding them. They were a visual plan of Christ's ministry. They all point to a different aspect of Christ work in the plan of salvation.

Here is a great link to what each feast points to and lessons that can be learned from it.

Jewish Festivals
Jewish Festivals
 
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Romes Christianity has no problem keeping the seven pagan days on the witches wheel.

What on earth do you mean by this; and does it even belong in this topic?

what are the dates of the seven feast days you observe and what does each feast day sabbath represent. ?
I believe that the OP and my other posts here show that Seventh-day Adventists do not teach in any of their official fundamental beliefs that we must "keep" the feast days and sabbath days mentioned in my above posts. If there are some who are "keeping" these feast days; they are doing it independently, and not because the church teaches it.
 
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I do see great benefits in understanding them. They were a visual plan of Christ's ministry. They all point to a different aspect of Christ work in the plan of salvation.
Amen to that! I agree, this is part of what I also hope we can discuss more of in this topic. I will check out those links asap.
 
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Castaway:

You quoted: As you can clearly see, these annual sabbaths fell on a different day of the week every year, and God specifically explained that they were not to be confused with the weekly Sabbath. “These are the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, everything upon his day: BESIDE THE SABBATHS OF THE LORD” (verses 37, 38).

Can you please explain to me if someone is telling you to keep some special gifts they have for you annually beside the gift that is special every week never ever call them sabbaths of YAHWEH? The only day is a sabbath is the Day of Atonement which when the SAVIOR went into the MOST HOLY to start HIS HIGH PRIEST Ministry. It was on that day that we believe in the Investing Judgment so did it stopped being nailed to cross and then somehow return being nailed to the cross? Now tell me what sense is that because I surely do not see one? Now it was because of the lunar/solar calendar that ELOHIM gave to man and reintroduce to the Israelites showing that the Feast of YAHWEH were still biding is what we used to fully understand the Sanctuary and they still did not understand. It took a vision given to Hiram Edison to show man the truth. The Adventists were so close in keeping the Feast Days then and when Jones and Waggoner return to provide the message we turned away from-"the Seven Month Message! How can you turn your back on YAHWEH'S Feast Days and celebrate pagan feast days is beyond me Castaway it just do not make sense.

In contrast, the weekly Sabbath is never referred to as a “feast,” neither is it ever connected to the Jews by such terms as “sabbath of the Jews.” It is only designated as the “sabbath of the Lord.”

This is definitely not true it is right here:

And YAHWEH Spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the Feasts of YAHWEH, which ye shall proclaim to be Holy Convocations, even these are MY Feasts. Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, a Holy Convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the Sabbath YAHWEH in all your dwellings.[FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font]These are the Feasts of YAHWEH, even Holy Convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. Lev 23:1-4

These are the fixed Feasts of YAHWEH, the Holy days of worship which you will keep at their regular times. (BBE)

These also are the Holy days of YAHWEH, which you must Celebrate in their seasons. (DRB)

In addition to the Sabbath, these are YAHWEH appointed Festivals, the Official days for Holy Assembly that are to be celebrated at their proper times each year. (NLT)

The Sabbath is different from all the other feasts and holy convocations in that it originated at creation (Gen. 2:1–3), whereas the annual feasts and “sabbaths” had their origin with the Jewish nation. SDA Bible Dictionary Vol. 1 p. 800

This is a lie as well because YAHWEH has never given anything to just one ethnic group of people. That is a bias and prejudice statement and the Bible will back up the truth that Feast Days which include the Sabbath was before this earth was created.

Bless YAHWEH, ye his angels that excel in strength, that do HIS Commandments, hearkening unto the Voice of HIS Word. Psa 103:20

Then ELOHIM commanded, "Let lights appear in the sky to separate day from night and to show the time when days, years, and Religious Festivals begin; (GNB)

Then ELOHIM said, "Let there be lights in the sky to separate the day from the night. They will be signs and will mark Religious Festivals, days, and years. (GW)

Then ELOHIM said, “Let there be lights in the sky. These lights will separate the days from the nights. They will be used for signs to show when Special Meetings begin and to show the days and years. Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)

Job 1:6:

And it came to pass, when on a certain day the sons of ELOHIM came, and stood before YAHWEH, and Satan came amongst them, and stood in his sight, (DRB)

Again it fell upon a day, that the sons of ELOHIM came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (JPS)

Now the event that happen in Job is so misunderstood that other created beings and not angels came as Adam did before he sinned and present their offerings before the FATHER.


Present: (tsab [yaw-tsab']); A primitive root; to place (anything so as to stay); reflexively to station, offer, continue. Strong Dictionary

This was a Feast Day because angels are already in Heaven returning daily from their missions also working with other beings or sons of ELOHIM. The angels are not sons of ELOHIM read Heb 1:5.

I saw that ELOHIM had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition. But I saw that the Word of ELOHIM, as a whole, is a perfect chain, one portion linking into and explaining another. True seekers for truth need not err; for not only is the Word of ELOHIM plain and simple in declaring the way of life, but the HOLY SPIRIT is given as a guide in understanding the way to life therein revealed. EW 220

Daniel 7:25

And he shall speak words against the MOST HIGH [ELOHIM] and shall wear out the saints of the MOST HIGH and think to change the time [of Sacred Feasts and Holy Days] and the Law; and the saints shall be given into his hand for a time, two times, and half a time [three and one-half years]. (AMP)

He will speak words against the MOST HIGH and oppress the holy ones of the MOST HIGH. He will intend to change Religious Festivals and Laws, and the holy ones will be handed over to him for a time, times, and half a time.Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

He will speak against the SUPREME ELOHIM and oppress ELOHIM'S people. He will try to change Religious Laws and Festivals, and ELOHIM'S people will be under his power for three and a half years. Good News Translation (GNT)

(CEV) "This king will speak evil of ELOHIM'S MOST HIGH, and he will be cruel to ELOHIM'S chosen ones. He will try to change ELOHIM'S Law and the Sacred Seasons. And he will be able to do this for a time, two times, and half a time.

Change times — the prerogative of God alone (Dan_2:21); blasphemously assumed by Antichrist. The “times and laws” here meant are those of religious ordinance; stated times of feasts [Maurer].[FONT='Georgia','serif'] [/font]A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown

"Question: How prove you that the church hath power to command feasts and holy days?"

"Answer: By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church."

"Question: How can you prove that?"

"Answer: Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church's power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin: and by not keeping the rest [of the Catholic feasts] by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power." (Rev. Henry Tuberville's, (D.D.R.C.) "An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine", p.58. New York: Edward Dunigan and Brothers, approved 1833)

Gen 1:14:

Feast Days, or Holy Days, are days which are celebrated in commemoration of the sacred mysteries and events recorded in the history of our redemption, in memory of the Virgin Mother of Christ, or of His apostles, martyrs, and saints, by special services and rest from work. A feast not only commemorates an event or person, but also serves to excite the spiritual life by reminding us of the event it commemorates. At certain hours Jesus Christ invites us to His vineyard (Matthew 20:1-15); He is born in our hearts at Christmas. . . CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA ON:Ecclesiastical Feasts

Until 350 A.D., when Pope Julius I proclaimed Dec. 25 as the date of the nativity, almost every month in the year had, at one time or another, been named by reputable scholars as the likely date of Christ's birth.

Christians, for whom Christ was the new beginning and the new light of the world, celebrated his birth in a seasonal tradition which crosscut a number of cultures. During the winter solstice, ancient Mesopotamians performed rites to aid their god Marduk. . . At that season the Greek Zeus began anew his battle against Kronos and the Titans. The followers of Mithras, a Persian sun-god whose cult was brought to Rome by returning Legionaires and became the chief rival of Christianity, celebrated Dec. 25 as Dies Solis Invicti Nati (Birthday of the Unconquered Sun). The Romans themselves had long celebrated the solstice season as the Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the god of agriculture. During Saturnalia, normal life turned upside down...Lord of Misrule...lavish banquets...exchange of gifts. Life Book of Christmas, Vol. 2, the Pageantry of Christmas, 1963, article, "Turning Pagan Rites to the Praise of God."

Valentine's Day: The association of love and courtship with St. Valentine's Day may have arisen from the coincidence of the date with the Roman festival of Lupercalia. Lupercalia was a Roman festival believed to have been in honor of Faunus, the god of flocks and fertility. Celebrated on Feb. 15, it was intended to ensure fertility of people, fields and flocks for the coming year. After sacrificing goats and a dog on the Palatine Hill, young men called Luperci raced around the borders of the hill striking those they met with whips made of the goatskins. Women who were struck were ensured of fertility and of easy delivery of children. The festival survived until the 5th century, A. D. Lexicon Universal Encyclopedia

Wake up and see that from the beginning man kept the Sacred Feasts of YAHWEH that included the Sabbath which is found in Lev Chapter 24. It is absurd not to think that man went away from the sacrifices and oblations to sacrificing unclean animals and even humans. They also changed the Feast Days as well starting with the Sabbath worshiping the Sun then Nimrod, Tammuz and Sermerisis, all of the Laws and Statues of ELOHIM were changed into pagan customs and feast days even now in this day and time!

Blessings,
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Stinson -
You got one thing right, in Job it was the representatives of the unfallen worlds that came together to present themselves to God. However, it is very unlikely it was on one of God's feast days (holy days). It was more than likely a new moon. The reason I say this is because those Holy Days all point to Christ's ministry on behave of fallen man. They show us the plan of salvation. So they then would have been instilled after the garden exile. There would be no need to have them if sin had never entered into the world. So by the same train of thought, why would the unfallen beings come together at one of those times. There is no seperation from them and God. Plus it would reason to say that this type of get together would have been something that was done since before the earth was created. Thus probably a new moon.
However I do believe that it was representatives of each world God has created and not angels. More than likely the first created of each world. That is why Satan came. Not because He was to do so, but because He usurped Adams place as the representative of this planet. He stole that right from Adam when Adam sinned. And when Christ gave His perfect sinless life for us, or became the second Adam, He took the right back. Thus Satan was cast out of Heaven.

just my humble thoughts anyways
 
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It seems quite obvious that one would effectively do away with the “Ten Commandments” by mingling them with ninety or a hundred others and calling them “ordinances” instead of commandments. Such a radical effort has been made to dilute the force of the only words of the Bible which God wrote with His own hand. Furthermore, the claim has been advanced that since the Ten Commandments were a part of the mosaic law of ordinances which ended at the cross, we are no more obligated to obey the decalogue than we are to offer lambs in sacrifice.

Is there proof positive in the Scriptures that there was no such blending of the ceremonial and moral law into one? Can it be shown that the Ten Commandments were of a permanent, perpetual nature while the ceremonial law of statutes and ordinances came to an end when Jesus died? Indeed there is abundance of evidence to answer these questions with a resounding yes!

God made known this distinction to His servant Moses, and Moses explained it to the people at Mt. Horeb. “And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it” (Deuteronomy 4:13, 14).

Please notice how Moses clearly separated the Ten Commandments, which “he commanded you,” from the statutes which “he commanded me” to give the people. The big question now is whether those statutes and judgments, which Moses passed on to the people, were designated as a separate and distinct “law.”

God answers that important question in such a way that no doubt can remain. “Neither will I make the feet of Israel move any more out of the land which I gave their fathers; only if they will observe to do according to all that I have commanded them and according to all the law that my servant Moses commanded them” (2 Kings 21:8). Here we are assured that the statutes which Moses gave the people were called a “law.” Any child can discern that two different laws are being described. God speaks of the law “I commanded” and also the “law ... Moses commanded.” Unless this truth is understood properly, limitless confusion will result.

Daniel was inspired to make the same careful distinction when he prayed for the desolated sanctuary of his scattered nation. “Yea, all Israel have transgressed thy law, even by departing, that they might not obey thy voice; therefore the curse is poured upon us, and the oath that is written in the law of Moses the servant of God, because we have sinned against him” (Daniel 9:11).

Once more we see “thy law” and “the law of Moses,” and this time the two are recognized as different in content. There are no curses recorded in the Ten Commandments that God wrote, but the law which Moses wrote contained an abundance of such curses and judgments.

The major point of difference between the law of God and the law of Moses, though, lies in the way they were recorded and preserved. We have already cited Moses’ statement that God “wrote them (the Ten Commandments) upon two tables of stone” (Deuteronomy 4:13). Compare that with Exodus 31:18, “two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.”

No one can confuse this writing with the way the mosaic law was produced. “And Moses wrote this law ... And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished, That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying, Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee” (Deuteronomy 31:9, 24-26). This book of statutes and judgments which Moses wrote in a book was placed in a pocket on the side of the ark. In contrast, the law written by God on tables of stone was placed inside the ark of the covenant. “And thou shalt put into the ark the testimony which I shall give thee” (Exodus 25:16).

At this point we can note several distinctions in the two laws. They had different authors, were written on different material, were placed in different locations and had totally different content.
 
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