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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

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Are you afraid of loss of free speech in your country now? Is it so terrible for a comedian to say "MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent." Is that untrue, were MAGA spokes people doing that? Was the claim made that his assassin was a liberal extremist when no one knew (yet) what his views were or who he was.

Can a Christian in good faith play along with this whole thing?

The statement that “MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent” reflects a contested interpretation of early reactions to the tragic killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. In the immediate aftermath, prominent MAGA-aligned figures—including President Donald Trump and commentators like Laura Loomer—publicly blamed “radical left” ideology for the attack, despite limited verified information about the suspect’s political affiliations at that time. This rhetorical framing was echoed by others in the movement who called for government crackdowns on left-wing groups and invoked historical analogies to FBI surveillance of political radicals. Such responses suggest that some MAGA spokespeople did indeed attempt to distance the perpetrator from their own ideological camp and attribute the violence to opposing political forces, even before full details were available.

Subsequent reporting confirmed that the accused, Tyler Robinson, held views described by Utah Governor Spencer Cox and FBI officials as “leftist” and “radicalised”. Text messages released by law enforcement revealed Robinson’s intent and ideological motivation, including references to Kirk’s perceived “hatred”. While these revelations lend credence to the claim that Robinson was not aligned with MAGA ideology, the initial rush to politicise the event—by both MAGA supporters and critics—underscores the moral hazard of premature attribution. From a Catholic moral standpoint, such tragedies call for restraint, truthfulness, and a commitment to justice over partisan gain (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, §§2477–2478). The dignity of the victim and the gravity of the act demand sober reflection, not opportunistic framing.
 

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Um, I think you posted this in the wrong place. This isn't a debate forum and it's also not political either. So to not break the site rules, I can't even respond to this.
It is a debate forum, most discussions here become debates in no time and the post is not chiefly about politics it just has a political background but the theme is how ought a good Christian respond to the fearful times in which we live and is one's fundamental freedom to speak one's peace freely at risk.
 
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Are you afraid of loss of free speech in your country now? Is it so terrible for a comedian to say "MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent." Is that untrue, were MAGA spokes people doing that? Was the claim made that his assassin was a liberal extremist when no one knew (yet) what his views were or who he was.

Can a Christian in good faith play along with this whole thing?

The statement that “MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent” reflects a contested interpretation of early reactions to the tragic killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. In the immediate aftermath, prominent MAGA-aligned figures—including President Donald Trump and commentators like Laura Loomer—publicly blamed “radical left” ideology for the attack, despite limited verified information about the suspect’s political affiliations at that time. This rhetorical framing was echoed by others in the movement who called for government crackdowns on left-wing groups and invoked historical analogies to FBI surveillance of political radicals. Such responses suggest that some MAGA spokespeople did indeed attempt to distance the perpetrator from their own ideological camp and attribute the violence to opposing political forces, even before full details were available.

Subsequent reporting confirmed that the accused, Tyler Robinson, held views described by Utah Governor Spencer Cox and FBI officials as “leftist” and “radicalised”. Text messages released by law enforcement revealed Robinson’s intent and ideological motivation, including references to Kirk’s perceived “hatred”. While these revelations lend credence to the claim that Robinson was not aligned with MAGA ideology, the initial rush to politicise the event—by both MAGA supporters and critics—underscores the moral hazard of premature attribution. From a Catholic moral standpoint, such tragedies call for restraint, truthfulness, and a commitment to justice over partisan gain (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, §§2477–2478). The dignity of the victim and the gravity of the act demand sober reflection, not opportunistic framing.
I saw this recently...

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Are you afraid of loss of free speech in your country now? Is it so terrible for a comedian to say "MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent." Is that untrue, were MAGA spokes people doing that? Was the claim made that his assassin was a liberal extremist when no one knew (yet) what his views were or who he was.

Can a Christian in good faith play along with this whole thing?

The statement that “MAGA people are trying as hard as they can to make the Charlie Kirk assassin into anything but a MAGA adherent” reflects a contested interpretation of early reactions to the tragic killing of conservative activist Charlie Kirk. In the immediate aftermath, prominent MAGA-aligned figures—including President Donald Trump and commentators like Laura Loomer—publicly blamed “radical left” ideology for the attack, despite limited verified information about the suspect’s political affiliations at that time. This rhetorical framing was echoed by others in the movement who called for government crackdowns on left-wing groups and invoked historical analogies to FBI surveillance of political radicals. Such responses suggest that some MAGA spokespeople did indeed attempt to distance the perpetrator from their own ideological camp and attribute the violence to opposing political forces, even before full details were available.

Subsequent reporting confirmed that the accused, Tyler Robinson, held views described by Utah Governor Spencer Cox and FBI officials as “leftist” and “radicalised”. Text messages released by law enforcement revealed Robinson’s intent and ideological motivation, including references to Kirk’s perceived “hatred”. While these revelations lend credence to the claim that Robinson was not aligned with MAGA ideology, the initial rush to politicise the event—by both MAGA supporters and critics—underscores the moral hazard of premature attribution. From a Catholic moral standpoint, such tragedies call for restraint, truthfulness, and a commitment to justice over partisan gain (cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church, §§2477–2478). The dignity of the victim and the gravity of the act demand sober reflection, not opportunistic framing.
Saw this too...

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Several celebrities have gotten their shows dropped or were let go from a show after something they said. So there's nothing new in Kimmel being put on suspension. ABC/Disney got a bunch of complaints. Advertisers got and issued complaints. The 22 year old show had low ratings already. A condition of possible return was Kimmel making a public apology, which he refused to do.

So with all of that in mind, the Jimmy Kimmel show being taken off the air, does not strike fear in me regarding free speech.
 
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You know....this is completely false. Democrats have furiously rebuked the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What you have posted are fringe and most likely bad actors from other nations watching with bated breath to see our society crumble with civil unrest.
Let us reason please!
 
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You know....this is completely false. Democrats have furiously rebuked the assassination of Charlie Kirk. What you have posted are fringe and most likely bad actors from other nations watching with bated breath to see our society crumble with civil unrest.
Let us reason please!
The only thing Dems were furiously doing was saying derogatory comments about Kirk and his assassination...There were 1000s of libs doing it online and many lost their jobs over it.
 
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The only thing Dems were furiously doing was saying derogatory comments about Kirk and his assassination...There were 1000s of libs doing it online and many lost their jobs over it.
I guess you didn't pay attention to the millions of Democrats who rebuked it.
Thanks for sharing.
 
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Can a Christian in good faith play along with this whole thing?
I think that is the important question we all need to consider. Because even here on this “Christian” forum we collude with the disturbing polarizing forces that divide the nation as well as the Body of Christ. We let ourselves be deceived into thinking that our political views are somehow sanctioned and aligned with God. The outcome is uncharitable and unchristian argument and judgment of others.

It is time for us to wake up and stop playing along. The prophet Amos tells us today, “Hear this, you who trample upon the needy and destroy the poor of the land!” Let us refocus and recalibrate our priorities. Consideration of the most vulnerable and poor among us is not just political. It is Biblical.
 
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That could be a sign of the difficulties of serving two masters (God and politics/Caesar) at the same time. Humans from both camps (Republicans and democrats) may have spinned on the situation.

At the end, it's a sad situation where we lost a very much talentded true brother, though his profession is a political supporter. What plaguing humans is actually the effort of the devil. God turns it to a positive effect where Christians increase in numbers. That's what I speculate.
 
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