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So I've had this fear of death since I don't know when and the BIBLE describes Hell pretty vividly which is a bit of a scare/threat to turn people from their sinful lives I'm assuming. But I've read online that some people think this is a wrong reason for seeking Jesus and the right thing is to do things out of love for him. But is it possible to be for you to be led to Christianity due to the fear of death (or another fear) but love Jesus (& God) because he saved you from such a fate? It just seems that Christianity is based on fear and love: fear to deter us and love to encourage us.

Anyone got any opinions? I don't want Jesus to think I'm not a true follower or that I'm not following for the right reason or something.
 
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So I've had this fear of death since I don't know when and the BIBLE describes Hell pretty vividly which is a bit of a scare/threat to turn people from their sinful lives I'm assuming. But I've read online that some people think this is a wrong reason for seeking Jesus and the right thing is to do things out of love for him. But is it possible to be for you to be led to Christianity due to the fear of death (or another fear) but love Jesus (& God) because he saved you from such a fate? It just seems that Christianity is based on fear and love: fear to deter us and love to encourage us.

Anyone got any opinions? I don't want Jesus to think I'm not a true follower or that I'm not following for the right reason or something.

Jesus knows your heart and he knows that your fright is out of your control and not related to anything but the more or less natural fear of death and dying.

We were created to never die which makes death as a concept very scary to us.
Even Christ feared death at the Calvary, why?
Cause God had not died before.

The uncertainty and the unknown makes death very scary, but believe in Christ and seek him. It will help, but it won't make the anxiety cease fully cause as I said dying is frightening as a concept.

Please know that Christ knows your heart and intent. You don't have to act up and pretend to be bad as in his presence.

You're in my prayers.
 
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Just have a daily consistent walk with God, as you get to know Him better, your motives and feelings will change. If having perfect motives was a requirement for being a Christian, not many of us would be. :)
 
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"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." - Proverbs 9:10

"And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.

But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him." - Luke 12:4-5

But here is what the Scripture goes on to say:

"Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?

But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows." -
Luke 12:6-7

The truth is, that once we have believed on the Son, Jesus Christ, we have nothing left to fear. We can know that we are saved, born again, passed from death to life, sealed by the Holy Spirit. God's wrath no longer remains upon us because of Christ's sacrifice, which we receive, as a gift, by grace, through faith. Christ has not failed in what He came to do, "It is finished!" (John 19:28-30)

It is not about our "obedience" or good works, it is about Christ's finished work on the cross. We rest in Him. (Hebrews 4)

Also, remember Jesus' words, recorded in Scripture:

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:14-18

And also:

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

"Then said they unto him, 'What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?'"

"Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.'" - John 6:27-29

"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day." - John 6:38-40

Read also: Romans 3, Romans 5, Galatians 5, Hebrews 10, Hebrews 11

We do not need to be afraid that Jesus will reject us because we are not good enough. He is faithful to His promises, and He has promised never to leave us or forsake us.

God bless you.
 
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is it possible to be for you to be led to Christianity due to the fear of death (or another fear) but love Jesus (& God) because he saved you from such a fate?
Exactly. Recall Peter, when he walked out on the water and began to sink, cried out in fear, "Save me!" The Lord reached out and held him up and led him into the boat. He later chided him for not having more faith, but not for daring to ask to walk on water. Jesus always receives us as we are, then lifts us up to a better place.

Here's something to think about:

Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil,
and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. -Heb 2:14-15​

From that, we know that God's will is that we live free of bondage to fear (cf Galatians 5:1). How can we not fear death? By knowing that in His name we have been given eternal life. The more we believe that, the less fear we have. In John 8, Jesus tells us to remain in His word, and its truth will set us free.

Prayer, Bible reading and meditation, and continually feeding on God's faithfulness, and being obedient to what we have already been given, are the ways to advance in faith. In particular see the letter of 1 John, which talks extensively about assurance of salvation, with reference to fear vs. love. "Perfect love casts out fear".
 
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So I've had this fear of death since I don't know when and the BIBLE describes Hell pretty vividly which is a bit of a scare/threat to turn people from their sinful lives I'm assuming. But I've read online that some people think this is a wrong reason for seeking Jesus and the right thing is to do things out of love for him. But is it possible to be for you to be led to Christianity due to the fear of death (or another fear) but love Jesus (& God) because he saved you from such a fate? It just seems that Christianity is based on fear and love: fear to deter us and love to encourage us.

Anyone got any opinions? I don't want Jesus to think I'm not a true follower or that I'm not following for the right reason or something.
Praying for you Hannah. I don't believe in hell. I believe everyone is saved.
 
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Praying for you Hannah. I don't believe in hell. I believe everyone is saved.

But Jesus spoke of Gehenna more than once ?
What to make of it?
 
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But Jesus spoke of Gehenna more than once ?
What to make of it?
I don't feel it was literal. I think Gehenna was a metaphor for how a sinful person ends up if they do not repent. I feel the fire is symbolic of the destruction that comes from a sinful life that is unrepentant.
 
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Even those who don't believe in Christ?
Yes, I believe they are saved too. I believe nothing can separate Christ from a soul, and that he will heal them in death if he cant do so in life.
 
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Yes, I believe they are saved too. I believe nothing can separate Christ from a soul, and that he will heal them in death if he cant do so in life.

Hmm...
But what was the point of Christ's sacrifice then?

(This is very heterodox...)
 
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Hmm...
But what was the point of Christ's sacrifice then?

(This is very heterodox...)
I feel his sacrifice saves everyone. His blood was shed and it brought healing to all mankind and I feel he gains everyone in the end.
 
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Yes, I believe they are saved too. I believe nothing can separate Christ from a soul, and that he will heal them in death if he cant do so in life.

So what do you do with all the verses in Scripture which clearly teach that the way is narrow, (Matthew 7:13-14), that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life and that no one comes to the Father but by Him? (John 14:6)

And what about these verses, for example?

"And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

For God so loved
the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." - John 3:14-18

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." - John 3:36

"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven." - Matthew 7:21

"Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed."

"Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?"

Jesus answered and said unto them, 'This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.'" - John 6:27-29

"For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."
- John 6:38-40

I don't say this to discourage you or anyone else, but because "universalism" is a very dangerous belief that is not supported by Scripture.

Also, read 1 John 5

God bless.
 
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Thank you for your replies everyone! I just don't want Jesus to think I'm "using" him or anything.

The article I read said this is a wrong reason for becoming Christian:

"4) The hell-fire escape conversion. This is so prevalent yet needs the least commentary. Christ was quite emphatic about losing your life to save it and about abandoning all self-centered endeavors, dying to oneself. He said, "Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be given," not "Seek first the kingdom of God SO THAT all else will be given." Using Jesus to save oneself from hell is to make oneself the object of focus rather than the Christ. This is ego-centric and contrary to the Gospel."

I'm not sure what to make of it because apparently the author has a PHD in something and I'm yet to finish post 16 education.
 
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Thank you for your replies everyone! I just don't want Jesus to think I'm "using" him or anything.

The article I read said this is a wrong reason for becoming Christian:

"4) The hell-fire escape conversion. This is so prevalent yet needs the least commentary. Christ was quite emphatic about losing your life to save it and about abandoning all self-centered endeavors, dying to oneself. He said, "Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be given," not "Seek first the kingdom of God SO THAT all else will be given." Using Jesus to save oneself from hell is to make oneself the object of focus rather than the Christ. This is ego-centric and contrary to the Gospel."

I'm not sure what to make of it because apparently the author has a PHD in something and I'm yet to finish post 16 education.

Knowing that Jesus does in fact save us from hell is not "using" Him. You can trust Him fully, He has not failed and never fails.

Salvation is a gift, freely offered, and God desires that none should perish, and He sent His Son, because He so loved the world. (John 3:16)

Don't be discouraged by anyone just because they have a PhD. The Gospel is clear, and it is "the simplicity of Christ." God is not the author of confusion.

No one needs earthly wisdom to truly believe and trust in Christ alone for salvation, which is why Jesus often used little children as an example. Actually, earthly wisdom can often get in the way, if anything.

God bless.
 
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"4) The hell-fire escape conversion. This is so prevalent yet needs the least commentary. Christ was quite emphatic about losing your life to save it and about abandoning all self-centered endeavors, dying to oneself. He said, "Seek first the kingdom of God and all else will be given," not "Seek first the kingdom of God SO THAT all else will be given." Using Jesus to save oneself from hell is to make oneself the object of focus rather than the Christ. This is ego-centric and contrary to the Gospel."

I'm not sure what to make of it because apparently the author has a PHD in something and I'm yet to finish post 16 education.

The old hymn says "t'was grace that taught my heart to fear, and grace, my fears relieved." Fear is a fine way to come to the Lord, but a tragic place to stay in. Don't worry about where you've come from, or even where you are. Set your sights on moving forward. Life is hard and there are many challenges. You will need to grow in faith in order to meet them. To do that, learn about Jesus. Read the Bible prayerfully and allow the Holy Spirit to come in and deal with your heart issues. If you can find a good church, so much the better. It's better to act on just a tiny amount of faith, the "mustard seed" Jesus often talks about, then to worry about what you don't have.

As far as this guy with a PhD, they come a dime a dozen, and their opinions contradict each other. Go with Jesus and what His Word says, and you won't go wrong. Jesus says that He will in NO WAY cast out those who come to Him. Just keep it real and regarding changes that He wants you to make, at least be willing to be made willing.
 
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I feel his sacrifice saves everyone. His blood was shed and it brought healing to all mankind and I feel he gains everyone in the end.

But if you believe in the Word of God, that being Jesus you cannot look past his own crystal clear message.
Jesus does say this explicitly himself a numerous of times in the Gospels.

Just look at the scriptural passages brought to you by @amariselle .

How can you "feel" something that God has said is wrong?
Even though the damnation of souls in Gehenna is terrible to think of its part of the harsh reality even if we like it or not because the Lord said so himself.

We cannot go past Christ's own words even if we like to...
 
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I can't say for sure what the author of that article I quoted meant but maybe it was that wanting to avoid Hell shouldn't be your sole reason for being Christian and that you should want to be like Jesus too (maybe?)

Also, surely it is more selfish to reject Jesus all together because it meant his death was for nothing (for that particular person). Selfish motives usually have a selfless oppisite like... If you take the last cupcake without asking then that's selfish but if you ask and someone else wants it, you let them have it and that's selfless. But in this instance he's implying that it's selfish to want to save yourself from Hell but the selfless alternative would be... go to hell? But who is that benefitting? A selfless action usually benefits another person but I can't see how this would benefit anyone.
 
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I can't say for sure what the author of that article I quoted meant but maybe it was that wanting to avoid Hell shouldn't be your sole reason for being Christian and that you should want to be like Jesus too (maybe?)

Also, surely it is more selfish to reject Jesus all together because it meant his death was for nothing (for that particular person). Selfish motives usually have a selfless oppisite like... If you take the last cupcake without asking then that's selfish but if you ask and someone else wants it, you let them have it and that's selfless. But in this instance he's implying that it's selfish to want to save yourself from Hell but the selfless alternative would be... go to hell? But who is that benefitting? A selfless action usually benefits another person but I can't see how this would benefit anyone.

I do not think it is in any way"selfish" to realize we cannot save ourselves and to turn to Jesus, in faith, calling on Him to be saved.

We should understand how lost we truly are without Him, and where we are headed if we don't believe and accept His gift of salvation, freely given. None of that is selfish, it is Biblical.

"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." - Romans 6:23
 
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