FBI knew terror attack in advance

[coastie]

Here's the deal,

Yes FBI and CIA and every other government agency receives numerous terrorist warnings daily. They handle as many as they can at a time. Yes, I'm sure the US knew that Bin Laden was planning something, but we had no idea what at the time. To suggest that the US knew more than it did is to build a conspiracy where it is not needed.

Conspiracy theorists cause distrust among people of the country which inturn breeds discontent for those of our government who stand in authoritative positions.

They ARE held to many difficult standards (many of which I'm we could not uphold) due to the difficult, stressful, time consuming jobs. Check up on them once in a while? Yes go right on ahead, but there coems a point when devising elaborate conspiracies does WAY more harm than good.

Ask anyone who has spent time in the military or an agency that dealt with classified material... everyone thinks that the US Intelligence as a whole is WAY smarter than they are. Most people don't understand the intricacies of intelligence gathering. If they did, our government wouldn't be under this magnifying glass right now. The job is tough enough as it is, let's not making it even harder and weigh it down even further with useless lines of questions.

Zach

 

[Morat]

Have you been following the news? The government was aware that OBL planned a large scale attack involving the hijacking of domestic flights months before it occured.

That was the title of the memo, for goodness sake. The FBi had information about suspicious men wanting to learn to fly planes, but not land or take off.

Flying planes into buildings wasn't a new idea. Tom Clancy used it years before.

 

[coastie]

Hind sight is 20/20.

It has been said many many times now. The US receives hundreds of those warnings a week. You pick the one that we should commit all of our assets to.

If you can do it, I will vote for you to be the director of the CIA and FBI and the Secretary for the Department of Homeland, for that matter, if I could.

Yes OBL has been a threat for a while... so have some people in Haiti and Colombia and Egypt. So the US picked the wrong one. Lesson learned. No doubt things could have been handled better but to say that the US knew what was going to happen but did nothing to stop it is ridiculous.

 

[Susan]

Did you hear about the homicide bombing in Pakistan? They think it was Bin Laden's group. . .

 

[coastie]

Al-Queda is probably responsible for a lot more than we know.

 

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by coastie
Here's the deal,

Yes FBI and CIA and every other government agency receives numerous terrorist warnings daily. They handle as many as they can at a time. Yes, I'm sure the US knew that Bin Laden was planning something, but we had no idea what at the time. To suggest that the US knew more than it did is to build a conspiracy where it is not needed.

Conspiracy theorists cause distrust among people of the country which inturn breeds discontent for those of our government who stand in authoritative positions.

They ARE held to many difficult standards (many of which I'm we could not uphold) due to the difficult, stressful, time consuming jobs. Check up on them once in a while? Yes go right on ahead, but there coems a point when devising elaborate conspiracies does WAY more harm than good.

Ask anyone who has spent time in the military or an agency that dealt with classified material... everyone thinks that the US Intelligence as a whole is WAY smarter than they are. Most people don't understand the intricacies of intelligence gathering. If they did, our government wouldn't be under this magnifying glass right now. The job is tough enough as it is, let's not making it even harder and weigh it down even further with useless lines of questions.

Zach

Yes, they have numerous warnings everyday. But if they turned away the important information of airplane hijacking, I don't know what kind of more important information they were valued. Religious group? Bishop's sex scandal? They are very effictive on this. When the fact revealed so many information about terrorist action, and none was picked up by the biggest intelligence of the world, a question aroused, where were billions of dollars put into intelligence? What kind of tough enough job they were doing? Watching X files?

I don't think they knew nothing. They knew it in advance but let it happened. Because they can benefit from it. All the material I put in thread are facts. You have any doubt on it? What you do is only cry all the way 'conspiracy', Maybe that's the tough job intelligence doing.

 

[StogusMaximus]

All the material I put in thread are facts. You have any doubt on it?

I have big doubts that the material you have posted are facts. I would like to see the source where you get your information.

Start by proving this......

The FBi had information about suspicious men wanting to learn to fly planes, but not land or take off.

 

[strathyboy]

Here's some information about what the FBI supposedly knew about terrorists or "suspicious men" learning to fly planes prior to September 11th.

http://www.msnbc.com/local/wews/a1211828.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/local/kjrh/m188790.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/local/azrep/m184737.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/local/azrep/m180948.asp

The last one is essentially about Mueller (the head of the FBI) and his belief that the FBI memo warning about these Arabs in flight school would not have prevented the Sept. 11th attacks. In don't know whether it would have prevented anything or not, but here's the information anyway.
I realize that all my sources are from msnbc. That can be attributed to me simply being too lazy to look for articles at another website, although I am sure any major American news agency will have coverage of this.

 

[StogusMaximus]

I am aware that the FBI and the CIA and just about every person on the earth was aware of terrorism, and that the US was a target.

I am looking for kathaksung to provide the sources that back up his arguments.

 

[coastie]

I don't think they knew nothing. They knew it in advance but let it happened. Because they can benefit from it. All the material I put in thread are facts. You have any doubt on it? What you do is only cry all the way 'conspiracy', Maybe that's the tough job intelligence doing.

Cry conspiracy?

I cannot believe that you actually think that the FBI would let this happen... that is totally irrational, and anyone capable of such an irrational thought is not debatable.

You must think that these people are just absolutely inhuman. Obviously, you've never met an FBI agent, because if you had, you'd see that they were loyal Americans and nto crazy enough to want to see thousands die so that they could make more money. You're accusations are SICK.

 

[kathaksung]

I posted this one as early as January.

Atta was under surveillance earlier

Public know little of other 18 terrorists but Atta. He was the most familier one for people among 19 terrorists.Such like his background; his student life in Hamburg, German; "his allergy hands"; "his visiting crop dust plane"; "his visit to Czech"; and his passport was even found two blocks away from WTC after 911 attack....Newspaper called him terrorist leader as if they had taken part in the meeting. But how could they know he was the leader, not the others?

Intelligence always benefited from terrorist attack.(more police power and increased budget) In anthrax attack, they released an information that 911 terrorist leader Atta had made contact to Iraq diplomat. They discussed a plot of bombing US broadcast station. I think the release of information was on purpose that Iraq had connection to terrorist so there was excuse to extend war to Iraq. But this also meant terrorist leader Atta's talking was eavesdropped. And he was under surveillance of intelligence at least as early as this spring. Do you believe that intelligence knew nothing of 911 bombing in advance?

This is one proved by congress investigation of intelligence failure.

Posted on Thu, Jun. 06, 2002
NSA didn't share key pre-Sept. 11 information, sources say
By JONATHAN S. LANDAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers

"WASHINGTON - A secretive U.S. eavesdropping agency monitored telephone conversations before Sept. 11 between the suspected commander of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks and the alleged chief hijacker, but did not share the information with other intelligence agencies, U.S. officials said Thursday.

The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the conversations between Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Mohammed Atta were intercepted by the National Security Agency, or NSA, an intelligence agency that monitors and decodes foreign communications.
The NSA failed to share..."

http://krd.realcities.com/html.ng/s...roduct=bayarea&size=sponsor&pos=popup&c1=none

 

[coastie]

Amazing!

This is what happens when you have too much red tape and too much pointless protocol. A devestating break down in communication.

It's amazing... that's all I can say!

 

[kathaksung]

FBI knew OKC bombing in advance

A lot of sources said there were more accomplices involved in OKC bombing. And after Waco event, FBI had penetrated militia organizations. Quote, "Some time prior to the bombing, the DEA planned a raid on Elohim City, from which McVeigh is alleged to have worked out his plans. but the FBI warned the DEA not to make their raid, because the FBI had "an informant in place" (http://www.sierratimes.com/archive/files/aug/06/arwh080601.htm)

The motive of OKC bombing by McVeigh is to revenge government's injustice in Waco. His target was FBI and BATF in Murrah Federal Building. Yet on that day, all staffs of FBI and BATF were absent. They knew the bombing in advance. Other federal employees became scapegoat.

The content of "Patriot Act" which G.A. Ashcroft proposed after 911 attack had been proposed by FBI director Freeh after OKC bombing. Freeh failed to pass his proposal but Ashcroft succeeded. Perhaps with the help of anthrax attack. From two similar terrorist events, we can see the culture of FBI. They value their lives very much, they absented in office on OKC bombing day, they gave a 'threat assessment' for their boss before 911 attack. (fact) They tried to get more police power from the panic of terror attack (motive) and neglected public lives' loss. As a matter of fact, only the huge loss made people give away their civil right to FBI.

 

[user 956]

Originally posted by kathaksung
I posted this one as early as January.

Atta was under surveillance earlier

Public know little of other 18 terrorists but Atta. He was the most familier one for people among 19 terrorists.Such like his background; his student life in Hamburg, German; "his allergy hands"; "his visiting crop dust plane"; "his visit to Czech"; and his passport was even found two blocks away from WTC after 911 attack....Newspaper called him terrorist leader as if they had taken part in the meeting. But how could they know he was the leader, not the others? 

The WTC Attacks are a liberal myth constructed to weaken our faith in our great Christian nation, and to make us question the flawless job the FBI has been doing in protecting this great nation.  Don't let yourself be deceived.

 

 

[strathyboy]

Originally posted by user 956


The WTC Attacks are a liberal myth constructed to weaken our faith in our great Christian nation, and to make us question the flawless job the FBI has been doing in protecting this great nation.  Don't let yourself be deceived.

 

That's going to have me laughing for days.

Two simple words. PROVE IT. Or did you not notice that there is a surprising lack of World Trade Centre buildings in New York?

 

[kathaksung]

Originally posted by user 956


The WTC Attacks are a liberal myth constructed to weaken our faith in our great Christian nation, and to make us question the flawless job the FBI has been doing in protecting this great nation.  Don't let yourself be deceived.

 

Cry slogans can't defend the failure of your FBI. Have some facts or at least argue about the information given here. Or you're trying to deceive others?

 

[kathaksung]

Padilla and OKC bombing

On June 10, Ashcroft announced arrest of Padilla for dirty bomb plot. Then there was an interesting discovery on Padilla in internet. People found he is identical to John Doe, alleged accomplice of McVeigh in OKC bombing. . A coincidence?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/697881/posts

From another angle:

In my opinion, FBI had their informant everywhere. They penetrated militia organization and Arabs too. I think they knew OKC bombing and 911 attack in advance but didn't say it. Because they could benefit from it.

It's no surprise if Padilla could be an informant recruited when he was in jail. (in 91) To work for an Pakistanian food owner two years was the first step to penetrate into Arab world.(in 92, 93) Just think he was with Zubaydah then Zubaydah was arrested in Pakistan. Think government announced much earlier that Al-Quada would use dirty bomb. Also think why government insisted McVeigh acting alone in OKC bombing while a lot of source said there were more accomplice and informant.

Padilla's arrest is unusual. There is no evidence, said only resemble to what Zubaydah's description whom was not considered as cooperating witness. But it made Ashcroft to announce his arrest in Moscow. And also made Bush sign a directive naming him as enemy combatant and put him into military custody until "war against terror" is over.

 

[kathaksung]

In San Jose Mercury news, 6/21/2002. Topic,"Sept. 11 probers want investigation of leaks."

Quote,"....The messages, according to CNN and the Washington Post, were in two separate conversations Sept. 10 and contained the pharases "Tomorrow is zero hour" and "The match is about to begin." The messages were not translated until Sept. 12."

This was a spicific information intelligence got. I think it was delibrately released in finger pointing between different departments in government. Now they say it's a secret shouldn't let out public. They are investigating who has leaked it. Since then there is a silence on that issue of failure of 911 attack warning. People are blocked from information of intelligence failure. The "secret" and "confidential"  cover up corrupt government and its officials.

 

[coastie]

Boy user,

what do you know that I don't?

FBI messed up... it wasn't deliberate, it wasn't because of soem liberal or conservative's bright idea to boost the POTUS. It was a communication breakdown that can be attributed to many circumstances.

1. Federal law enforcement has too many channels that they have to go through (as does just about every other federal job under the sun).
2. The equipment is aging and desparately needed to be replaced,
3. Someone may have gotten a little too complacent.

But anyone who attributes the attacks to some vast right OR left wing conspiracy is giving the US government WAY too much credit.

 

[laura'sdad]

That's ridiculous.  That's like saying all priests are perverts or all blacks are less intelligent than whites.  The first thing we need to do is to realize that the media is all about creating news, not reporting it.  CNN and major networks are no better than the National Inquirer when it comes to bending the facts and inventing news.  CNN is owned by Ted Turner, a socialist and supporter of the one-world government.  Dan Rather is more concerned with shaping the news than in delivering it impartially.  Another network anchor is a Canadian who does not hold to America's role in maintianing peace through force.

The FBI is filled with men and women who put this nation before their own lives.  They are often hampered in doing more to protect us by the rules our lawmakers place upon them. 

No one could have pinpointed when and where those planes would have been stolen, and once in the air , whether the passengers would be taken for ransom or the planes rammed into the sides of buildings in any of thousands of cities. 

Anything missed in the intelligence gathering and sharing was not done intentionally.  There is no conspiracy in our covert branches to destroy American lives for some political goal.  And if there were, these people would eventually be discovered and likely their plans would be thwarted.  It's happened before.  The FBI, CIA, Secret Service and our military have interferred with countless threats against our nation - and they are the best the world has to offer.

Put the blame where it belongs.  Satan is here to steal, kill, and destroy.  He causes confusion, distracts us, and leads us down the wrong paths through various religions.  There is a much bigger spiritual battle going on around us than any war mankind could get itself involved in.  If God were not confident of the outcome, He would have destroyed Satan thousands of years ago.