FAQ Question: Why do Messianic Jews observe Shabbat on Friday/Saturday?

[iitb]

Two more FAQ questions. As always, if you feel the question is worded awkwardly, feel free to suggest changes.


Why do Messianics observe Shabbat on Friday/Saturday rather than the Christian Sunday of Worship?


Do MJs believe in the authority of the Talmud?

 

[KelsayDL]

Why do Messianic Jews observe Shabbat on Friday/Saturday rather than the Christian Sunday of Worship?

For me, it is because the Ten Commandments say to remember the Sabbath. The sabbath has historically been on friday/saturday, to my knowledge. Not Sunday.


God never changed that.

To presume man has the authority to author such a change is laughable at best, and heretical at worst.


I don't like what I read regarding the change from saturday-sunday, when reviewing it's history.


I like even less catholic confessions on the matter.

Do MJs believe in the authority of the Talmud?

This is my own personal opinion, and not that of all in MJ.


I trust in the Talmud more than the letters of Paul. (at least that which I have read).


That being said, I do not believe either are to be equal to (Talmud in point), nor greater than (Pauls works) the Tanakh.


Mt 10:24 - The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Just wondering why the question was worded as "Messianic Jews" beacause you really can't be considered a messianic ( gentile) unless you are observing the "proper" Shabbat,nu?

 

[iitb]

Just wondering why the question was worded as "Messianic Jews" beacause you really can't be considered a messianic ( gentile) unless you are observing the "proper" Shabbat,nu?

Fixed.

 

[Godzman]

Saturday is still the sabbath day, and we should as christians remember that, it is not on sunday

 

[SonWorshipper]

Precicely the Shabbat begins at sundown on Friday, the daytime hours preceeding it are considered the preparation day. It was established Bereshit, in the Beginning by the way the L-RD expressed His time, starting from the night (evening- dark) and moving into the day ( morning - light).


Why do we observe it? because it is Biblical from the beginning and was not changed as some interpret certain Brit scriptures as saying it has.

It is a commemoration of the creation, and it is commanded to be remembered and kept holy as He wants his people to be. It is also a rememberance of the L-rd and His deliverance of His people from slavery ( sin) in Egypt but also of His salvation.

As far as the second question can you define "authority", because that can be different than companion commontary, which I would regard it as such and believe it should be studyed.

 

[SonWorshipper]

Fixed.

 

[Henaynei]

Because, contrary to most modern christian theology, "it ain't the Nine Suggestions!"

 

[Andre]

Do you believe that keeping the sabbath is a requirement for salvation?
Or is it something you do in respect to G-d (like fasting for exemple)?

 

[simchat_torah]

Though no 'action' one can do will win or lose one's salvation, there are certain standards G-d expects us to keep in our lives. Obviously the Sabbath is quite important in Messianic theology. I doubt anyone would ever say that one would lose their salvation from not observing Shabbat, but this would not negate it's importance.

Shalom,
Yafet.

 

[Andre]

Though no 'action' one can do will win or lose one's salvation, there are certain standards G-d expects us to keep in our lives. Obviously the Sabbath is quite important in Messianic theology. I doubt anyone would ever say that one would lose their salvation from not observing Shabbat, but this would not negate it's importance.

Shalom,
Yafet.

Ok, that clears it up for me.
I asked that because I have several firends that are Seventh Day Adventist, and they believe that observing the Sabbath is a requirement for salvation, but what they believe they follow doens't come close to the biblical sabbath, they adapt it to their own convenience and think that they are more righteouss for observing it.

I do worship on Sunday though and even though I don''t work on Sunday I don't consider it to a sabbath day, the reason most american christians worship on Sunday is because it's the day Yeshua rose from the dead...


Btw, what does Shalom means?

 

[SonWorshipper]

Hi Andre What (Simchat Torah) said goes for me as well, I think that Justin should add this question to the FAQ if not on there already.

Shabbat is not a salvation issue, nothing but our faith , belief saves us AND walking in the ways Yeshua shows us as well as the Spirit leads us. The works of the Spirit you might call it. Because James said, Faith without works is dead. If you only believe inside but never allow it to express itself then you are a candle under a bushel.

Shalom means Peace. You find this word as Salem or Jerusalem in the Bible. Yeshua would greet His followers with

Peace be unto you, which in Hebrew is Shalom Alecheim. See Luke 24:36 ~ the first words to the Apostles from the arisen L-RD.

 

[gpburbell]

Shalom means more that just "peace". It means "wholness", "wellness", completeness, etc. If I were to meet you and ask how you were doing I would say (to a male), "Ma shlomkha?", which literally means "what is your shalom?"

George

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

Ok, that clears it up for me.
I asked that because I have several firends that are Seventh Day Adventist, and they believe that observing the Sabbath is a requirement for salvation, but what they believe they follow doens't come close to the biblical sabbath, they adapt it to their own convenience and think that they are more righteouss for observing it.

I do worship on Sunday though and even though I don''t work on Sunday I don't consider it to a sabbath day, the reason most american christians worship on Sunday is because it's the day Yeshua rose from the dead...


Btw, what does Shalom means?

That is very debatable considering that That was a Day before a High Sabbath that Yeshua was Crucified on. It happened to be a day that can be any day of the week. Then on the Third day which happens to be the Seventh day he rose which is on Shabbat.

Shalom,

Tag

 

[Shamash Of Yeshua]

And basically Shabbat is from the Beginning of this whole creation HE has done.

Shalom and Shalom and Shalom,

Tag

 

[cleopa_of_emmaus]

Under Jewish law, only Jews are required to observe the Sabbath, anyway. A gentile is not allowed to observe the Sabbath in the same manner as a Jew.

~cleopa

 

[SonWorshipper]

Perhaps Justin when you post these FAQ you should preface each with the admonition that this is not a thread for asking questions ( no offence Andre) but for those who read through them and a question arises to please start a new thread regarding it because these are going to be used for the answers in the FAQ thread.

As well anyone that Isn't Messianic should not be posting in here their opinions as it will only cause confusion to those reading it, since the object of these threads is for clarification and better undertanding of what we believe.



sHalom!

 

[iitb]

Probably not a bad idea. I'm planning to throw out the next group of questions tomorrow sometime, so I'll work up a disclaimer between now and then.

 

[Andre]

No offence taken SW, I shouldn't have drifted off topic.

Shalom.