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Fantasy Magic

Is writing about magic in a fantasy novel acceptable?

  • Yes. Put in as much magic as you think the story needs, but make sure it's not 'real' magic.

  • Yes, but only put in a little magic.

  • Only the villain can use magic, and that magic MUST be portrayed in a negative light.

  • No. Don't put any magic in your story at all, because magic of any sort is evil.

  • Other (please specify)


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sunstruckdream

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I basically agree with the general consensus everyone seems to have reached - it's okay depending on portrayal and context. I'm not really a magic-user though - fantasy seems really popular here on the WG! Not really my style to write about. But honestly, the way you guys are describing it? No harm done.
 
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Yeah. I use magic all over the place ^_^ If it's wrong, I'm doomed - I bet there's a whole circle of hell devoted to people who use fantasy magic in their writing, read Harry Potter, and eat candy corn.

That's beside the point. Fantasy magic isn't real in the same sense that dragons aren't real and Elves aren't real and Paolini's writing talent isn't real.

Word up...:preach:
 
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Color me stupid but I could have sworn fantasy was supposed to have supernatural aspects to it. That doesn't make it evil, it just makes it not natural - and that's the whole point of the genre.

I'm for magic so long as its not borrowed from actual evil and occult sources. Magic you make up is no different than a person you make up. Well, except one can talk.
 
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I tend to prefer the "Sword & Sorcery" approach, where magic is dangerous, unpredictable, and distinctly unpleasant. In S&S literature, sorcerers are generally portrayed as evil or at best amoral. Magic is not necessarily evil in and of itself, but its practice usually has dire consequences, and almost always imbues the spellcaster with some form of taint or corruption; sort of like the dark side of the Force, only written in the 1930s...
 
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:eek: How'd I miss this? cries.

Well, now that it's been officially resurrected (necromancy!!! :ebil:), I guess I'll post (being bored adds to this decision).

A very far aside:

The creator of the ever-popular Dungeons & Dragons (who I think died recently >_>, can't remember his name, couldn't be bothered to look it up), was, in fact, a Christian. At first, he was very public about his beliefs, but when people reacted so harshly to the "magic" in D&D, he decided his openness was doing more harm to Christianity than good, so he stopped being open about it. However, when asked about the magic in D&D, he replied with a twinkle, "You do know the swords and gold aren't real either, don't you?"

Lesson learned. :p

(btw, Gnombient, on S&S ... RAISTLIN RULES!!! :cool:)
 
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DANG YOU ALL!!!! Why does everyone feel the need to stop wars before they start?!?!?!

jk. :p

On the topic of wands (never been a PM person), an aside (I like those (if you aven't noticed, I like parentheses too :)P))): Gandalf's staff was described in "The Hobbit" as a "wand." WOO.
 
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Avatar: The Last Airbender has numerous Christian themes in it (especially towards the end). Aang expresses the need for forgiveness a lot, as well as expressing the fact that killing is bad. This has magic in it.


It's not magic it's bending! :mad:

LOL. Just paraphrasing Katara from the first episode.
 
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Some thoughts re: wands. If you want to use wands in your fantasy fiction, why not simply define them, within the context of your story, as having nothing to do with the occult? There’s a long, time-honored tradition of the most memorable authors redefining words. Tolkien totally transformed the definition of ‘elves’, and the word has never been the same.

You could even define wands as not having anything to do with traditional magic. There are more forces operating within fantasy worlds than just magic. When it comes right down to it, you don’t even have to call them ‘wands’. You could do some etymological research and come up with a catchy, impressive-sounding word all your own. You’d get extra points for originality.

You may hit a snag when it comes to selling your novel to Christian publishers, though. Christian editors are notoriously conservative and risk-averse. They’re also aware that a significant and extremely profitable segment of their clientele considers even fantasy to be wrong, much less anything involving magic and/or the occult. Some established writers make it past such barriers, but it can be difficult for first time novelists. The more elements you include that could be construed (by the anti-fantasy crowd) as magical or occultish, the harder it will be to make the sell. The joke among writers who have tried, is that not even Tolkien or C. S. Lewis could get published in today’s climate. Sadly, there’s more than a kernel of truth in that ‘joke’.

The big exception are Catholic publishers, who are FAR more open to fantasy than traditional evangelical publishers. They’re understandably only in the market for overtly Catholic fantasy, however, which doesn’t help those of us who write with a more general Christian bent. (I have a theory as to why non-Catholic Christian publishers are so skittish about fantasy, but since it touches on a subject that previously drew fire I’ll keep the lid on it. :) )

Personally, I think it’s only a matter of time before demand drives the market. The desire for good, entertaining yet edifying Christian Fantasy is very strong and getting stronger. Already at least one indy publisher [Marcher Lord] is moving to fill the void. Sooner or later others follow. This is something we could all pray for—especially those of us who write YA Fantasy (Marcher Lord deals only with Adult.): more markets!

True story. I let a very open-minded, kind and gracious Christian woman read one of my novels. She told me it was a page turner that she couldn’t put down—she finished it in one night! Then she added that the idea of having such a thing, even in a minor role, as a ‘good wizard’, made her skin crawl. She cautioned me that if I didn’t remove that element, it would be a non—if not outright anti—Christian story. I have dozens more anecdotes just like that one. There are very real challenges out there for Christian Fantasy, but with God’s help the genre will flourish.

[Note: These are personal thoughts, hopefully addressing the wand question, and intended to be helpful. If anyone disagrees, there’s no need to debate. You could simply delineate any counter thoughts you may have in an independent post. (Though if anyone wants to debate anybody besides me, that’s between the two of you. I just don’t want to be part of it.) Thank you in advance.]
 
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Ouch. If what Christianfantasy says is true, then it will be very hard for people to publish fantasy under Christian publishers.

Go to a methodist church, and ask how many people have read Harry Potter, then try the same thing at a Baptist church. You're not likely to get as many at the more conservative Baptist church.

So now I get the chance to tell people something I like saying: it's ok to write realistic stories. I dunno, I used to read fantasy, namely stories to do with Drizzt...then I realized how much I loved non-fantasy novels too.

For people who like fantasy, and maybe want to write one that can get published by a Christian publisher, I suggest reading The Giver by Lois Lowry. This book won the Newberry Medal, and if you don't know much about that, they award only one per year. That's a big honor. And it was a great book, and it was also a sci-fi/fantasy novel...though it was pretty realistic. Read it.

I go to a Methodist Church...not because it's methodist, but because I like it. Most people there are old, and it's the biggest church in town. But the Pastor is middle-aged, and I'd say that the Pastor is moderate-liberal. The pastor's wife though very conservative, and won't read Harry Potter...but she does love Disney, so she probably doesn't hate all magic. She bought a PS2 just so she could play Kingdom Hearts lol.

What's funny is that her husband the pastor writes sci-fi novels lol. And I'd bet she'd never read them. Also what's weird is that she's the conservative one but knows how to use a computer and the pastor has no clue how to lol.

Well, there's my funny anecdote. Now I need some Kool-Aid :D
 
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Hey, Shiroco, that was a very interesting story about your church. How fascinating that your pastor writes SF! I just hope it’s not actually true that his wife takes a pass on his stories. If she does, she’s missing a lot. If he loves SF enough to write it, then he’s putting a lot of himself into those stories. She’d be cutting herself off from a deep part of his life, if she declines to read them.

PS: I’ve read The Giver, and I didn’t find it to be Christian Fantasy. Did you see it as a Christian story? Also, what did you see as the theme of the novel? I’m curious! :)
 
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